The APR

[rrlbees]

I'm pretty sure some people misunderstand the APR and as it relates to what Melo and Waiters are doing. First, it is a 4 year rolling score that determines penalties. While they calculate the score each year, the 4 year rolling score tells you whether you lose scholarships or can't appear in the NCAA's.

Second, it is lagged by 1 season. The APR report that will come out this year in the May/June time frame will be for the 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 academic years. So Dion and Melo won't even count in those calculations. They will for the 2013-14 season.

Third, you get "points" for each athlete for staying in school and for academic eligibility. Each player each year can get 2 points, 1 for each This may be 4 points if it is calculated each semester, but the concept is the same). So both Melo and Dion, by virtue of them leaving early, will only get 1 point max and that is if each are academically eligible at then end of this year. BUT, for players who leave early to play professionally (mainly baseball players) you can appeal the 1 point for not remaining in school. So in the end, leaving early probably doesn't hurt you as long as you are eligible at the end of the school year.

Players can say they will still go to spring semester classes, study for their finals, and remain eligible, but it becomes difficult not only because many really don't but also, they don't have summer school to do things to remain/get eligible in the fall. Many athletes use summer school to make up for either credit issues or GPA issues.

You need a 925 to not incur any penalties. 1,000 is a perfect score. Don't know what we had in 2007-08 but we had a 912 in 2008-09 and a perfect 1,000 score in 2009-10. Don't know what it was yet for last year but I have to believe it was pretty good because everyone came back eligible and only Ricky left. Don't know if he graduated or not though. If he graduated, we will get another 1,000. If he didn't, I think we would get a 954 (21/22). You can't just average all 4 years together either because each player is scored each year and each individual season may not have the exact same number of scholie players.

2013-14 may be a concern depending upon Waiters, Melo and Mookie. We could be as low as 850 for this year.

 

[Knicks411]

. Don't know what we had in 2007-08 but we had a 912 in 2008-09 and a perfect 1,000 score in 2009-10

2009 was an 865; 912 was our rolling score for that period.

You can't just average all 4 years together either because each player is scored each year and each individual season may not have the exact same number of scholie players.

Didn't know this. Thanks.

 

[Garbs]

The Academic Progress Rate, sometimes also known as Academic Performance Rating[1] and generally abbreviated as APR, is a metric established by the NCAA to indicate the success of collegiate athletic teams in moving student athletes towards graduation[citation needed]. It was instituted in February 2005[citation needed]. In its first season of usage, three sports - football, basketball, and baseball - posted average APR scores below the NCAA-determined minimum level.
Collegiate sports teams that fail to achieve an APR score of 925 - equivalent to a 50% graduation rate - may be penalized with the loss of scholarships. A perfect score is 1000. The scores are calculated as follows:
The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation. Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution. A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.[1]
The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances—when a player transfers to another school with a sufficiently high GPA, or leaves for a professional sports career while still in good academic standing. In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. Nearly half of the adjustments were for baseball players.[2]
The first penalties under the APR system were scheduled to be announced in December 2005. Starting with the 2008–09 academic year, bans from postseason competition were added to the penalty structure. The most severe penalty available is a one-year suspension of NCAA membership, which has not yet been assessed as of 2010–11.[3]
Prior to 2010–11, only four teams had received postseason bans. The results of the NCAA's APR report for that year, which covered 2006–07 through 2009–10, saw eight teams receive that penalty—five in men's basketball and three in football. Most notably, Southern became the first school ever to receive APR-related postseason bans in two sports. The highest-profile penalty in that year's cycle was handed down to defending NCAA men's basketball champion Connecticut. The Huskies lost two scholarships for the 2011–12 season due to APR violations.[3]
The APR is designed to measure semester-by-semester academic progress, and is separate from the Graduation Success Rate (GSR), which reflects only the percentage of student athletes who graduate, thus omitting students who would have graduated but left school early for non-academic reasons (such as a professional career).

 

[Garbs]

Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2004 - 2005 967
Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2005 - 2006 948
Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2006 - 2007 955
Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2007 - 2008 932
Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2008 - 2009 912 Immediate Penalty - Scholarship Reduction = 2
Men's Basketball Syracuse University NY 2009 - 2010 928

 

[Rocco]

This is great. Any chance this could go in "additional links" or anything?

 

[BlackKnight76]

I did the calculations last night. Worst case scenario is Mookie was not in good standing first semester (doubtful, since he's coming back), Dion won't be this semester and Fab wasn't for either semester, which would give us an 826. If Mookie was fine, which I believe is the case, it is 870. If Dion keeps his word and does his work this semester, which I actually think he might (he's still on campus), it's a 913.

 

[rrlbees]

2009 was an 865; 912 was our rolling score for that period.

You're right, I typed the wrong number from the database.

 

[Marsh01]

I did the calculations last night. Worst case scenario is Mookie was not in good standing first semester (doubtful, since he's coming back), Dion won't be this semester and Fab wasn't for either semester, which would give us an 826. If Mookie was fine, which I believe is the case, it is 870. If Dion keeps his word and does his work this semester, which I actually think he might (he's still on campus), it's a 913.

So we are screwed then?

 

[BlackKnight76]

So we are screwed then?

I don't think so. The really bad Jonny/Devo/Paul year is off the books soon, and we had a perfect score in 09-10, and probably a perfect score last year, so our four year average should be solid.

 

[thebigeast44]

I'd like to know where in the world is Fab Melo?! If the answer is not studying his ass off on campus, then he deserves all the negative talk directed towards him.

 

[Marsh01]

I don't think so. The really bad Jonny/Devo/Paul year is off the books soon, and we had a perfect score in 09-10, and probably a perfect score last year, so our four year average should be solid.

So its a 4 year average thing? Sorry for asking but I dont know the rules with the APR.

 

[omniorange]

I did the calculations last night. Worst case scenario is Mookie was not in good standing first semester (doubtful, since he's coming back), Dion won't be this semester and Fab wasn't for either semester, which would give us an 826. If Mookie was fine, which I believe is the case, it is 870. If Dion keeps his word and does his work this semester, which I actually think he might (he's still on campus), it's a 913.

Are we sure Fab wasn't academically eligible for both terms? Has that been confirmed?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[rrlbees]

So its a 4 year average thing? Sorry for asking but I dont know the rules with the APR.

you didn't read the OP?

 

[rrlbees]

I don't think so. The really bad Jonny/Devo/Paul year is off the books soon, and we had a perfect score in 09-10, and probably a perfect score last year, so our four year average should be solid.

Do you know if Jackson graduated?

 

[Marsh01]

you didn't read the OP?

Lol...um...that obvious? When posts get more than like 4 paragraphs I start to get sidetracked mentally.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Do you know if Jackson graduated?

I'm fairly certain he did, but I don't know for sure.

 

[OttoMets]

I did the calculations last night. Worst case scenario is Mookie was not in good standing first semester (doubtful, since he's coming back), Dion won't be this semester and Fab wasn't for either semester, which would give us an 826. If Mookie was fine, which I believe is the case, it is 870. If Dion keeps his word and does his work this semester, which I actually think he might (he's still on campus), it's a 913.

Do you really think Mookie's coming back? I know he's spoken about it, but I've been skeptical.

If he does, that'd be terrific. He's a good teammate; can't have too many of those.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Do you really think Mookie's coming back? I know he's spoken about it, but I've been skeptical.

If he does, that'd be terrific. He's a good teammate; can't have too many of those.

He's on campus and he was seen doing paperwork to get himself reenrolled for the fall.

 

[OttoMets]

Are we sure Fab wasn't academically eligible for both terms? Has that been confirmed?

Cheers,
Neil

I doubt that'll be confirmed in any official way, but he clearly won't be eligible for the spring semester. And it's my understanding that he won't be considered to have been eligible during the fall semester (thus the ongoing suspension problem). So it could be a rare 0/4 APR year for Fab, with no hope of a bonus point for getting drafted.

 

[OttoMets]

He's on campus and he was seen doing paperwork to get himself reenrolled for the fall.

Good for him; hope he comes back.

 

[omniorange]

I doubt that'll be confirmed in any official way, but he clearly won't be eligible for the spring semester. And it's my understanding that he won't be considered to have been eligible during the fall semester (thus the ongoing suspension problem). So it could be a rare 0/4 APR year for Fab, with no hope of a bonus point for getting drafted.

If the latter is true, won't we have to forfeit our regular season wins since we played an ineligible player?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[690West]

Do you know if Jackson graduated?

summa cum laude if I remember correctly

 

[OttoMets]

If the latter is true, won't we have to forfeit our regular season wins since we played an ineligible player?

Cheers,
Neil

Hmm, good point. Maybe I'm incorrect that he could retroactively be considered ineligible for the fall.

 

[caw]

If the latter is true, won't we have to forfeit our regular season wins since we played an ineligible player?

Cheers,
Neil

It's impossible Fab was 0/4. Though hard to accomplish, he would be a 1/4 at the worst. Theoretically, the player is eligible for the fall semester based on the previous spring semester. If said player fails to be on pace to graduate in the fall (failing a class, thus not enough credits) he could end up being a 1/2 in the fall if the player comes back for the spring semester. If said player then fails in the spring and leaves, they would be an 0/2 in the second semester. They get 1 point for coming back for the spring semester. They lose 3 (2 for not being on pace to graduate both semesters, 1 for leaving while not being on par academically). This is just in theory. I am no saying Fab is such for ya'll.

At least I think I'm right.

I'm not sure what happens when a player stops playing basketball for family reasons and leaves the school. I think he would probably get some kind of waiver, but the player would have to substantiate the claim he left for a legitimate family reason (I would imagine).

 

[OttoMets]

It's impossible Fab was 0/4. Though hard to accomplish, he would be a 1/4 at the worst. Theoretically, the player is eligible for the fall semester based on the previous spring semester. If said player fails to be on pace to graduate in the fall (failing a class, thus not enough credits) he could end up being a 1/2 in the fall if the player comes back for the spring semester. If said player then fails in the spring and leaves, they would be an 0/2 in the second semester. They get 1 point for coming back for the spring semester. They lose 3 (2 for not being on pace to graduate both semesters, 1 for leaving while not being on par academically). This is just in theory. I am no saying Fab is such for ya'll.

At least I think I'm right.

I'm not sure what happens when a player stops playing basketball for family reasons and leaves the school. I think he would probably get some kind of waiver, but the player would have to substantiate the claim he left for a legitimate family reason (I would imagine).

0/4 would seem impossible, but how would they grade someone who - during the spring semester - is found to have not completed his fall studies, is granted the opportunity to complete the fall studies, then fails to do so?

Weird situation.

(Edit: of course you're right that one must get one point for returning for the spring. So maybe 0/4 can't happen.)