The Bench...

[Forza Azzurri]

with apologies to Harry Doyle:

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the threads on the board, you haven't, JB has actually managed to sub here and there and is threatening to climb out of his 6.5 man rotation...

BR801 made a post the other day in the Buddy thread about how absolutist posts don't seem to age well...

I'm sure I could go back in time and find dozens (hundreds?) of posts stating that JB refuses to use his bench or has no idea how to use his bench.

Yet this year, he is going as much as nine deep and I, for one, find it interesting how he is mixing and matching personnel this year depending upon time, score, situation, opponent and how that player is playing...the only true constant in the line-up at almost all times is Battle.

Sometimes the starters still play iron man minutes (Hughes playing 45 against Duke and Brissett playing 43) but Hughes only played 25 and Brissett only played 28 aginst Pitt while PC played 26. Against Clemson, Sidibe played 16 minutes...

Yet another myth debunked?

 

[SUFan44]

Liked solely for the Major League reference

 

[Brooky03]

He's always gone as deep as the talent allows for.

 

[tbonezone]

truth remains JB's bench is still more of a penalty box than a weapon to rest starters or develop talent.
not playing to his standards you sit. not really a rotation but more a recital where 1 gaffe you get the hook.

 

[br801]

 

[tbonezone]

15 team league . top 12 minutes played ACC include battle,brissett,hughes. frank is #45. above zion.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

truth remains JB's bench is still more of a penalty box than a weapon to rest starters or develop talent.
not playing to his standards you sit. not really a rotation but more a recital where 1 gaffe you get the hook.

This is where your narrative doesn't fit the stats...everyone's minutes are down this year.

3 man rotation at the 5
2 man rotation at the 4
2 man rotation at the 3
2 man rotation at the 2
3 man rotation at the 1

Other than Battle, who plays depends on the criteria I listed above.

not playing to his standards you sit.

Yeah, God Forbid you sit someone who is not playing well.

Uh Coach, Player X had 7 TOs, no assists, no points, no rebounds and went 0-10 from the floor. Whydja leave him in there?

Easy, Tbone says we need to develop talent so I am letting him develop. By the time we get to the CBI, he'll be a great player...

I cannot honestly believe you wrote that and then posted it.

 

[OrangeDW]

15 team league . top 12 minutes played ACC include battle,brissett,hughes. frank is #45. above zion.

You are so mad right now.

Hilarious.

 

[br801]

You are so mad right now.

Hilarious.

Someone may have slipped some acid into his carrots.

 

[OrangeDW]

Someone may have slipped some acid into his carrots.

Any time anyone makes note of Boeheim going deeper, he trips over himself to try to shoot it down.

I like how he thinks that Zion’s minutes thing is an actual good point.

 

[patcuse]

You are so mad right now.

Hilarious.

Mad as in angry or insane or both.

 

[tbonezone]

sliding starters to different spots on the court isn't rotating per se. fact. 3 of the top 12 mpg.

 

[OrangeDW]

Mad as in angry or insane or both.

Seems angry to me. Can’t stand to see anything remotely positive said about Boeheim, ever.

 

[OrangeDW]

sliding starters to different spots on the court isn't rotating per se. fact. 3 of the top 12 mpg.

It’s making the best use of your players. Which is the point.

9 deep. Fact.

 

[orange79]

sliding starters to different spots on the court isn't rotating per se.

Actually, it is.

 

[br801]

Unlike JB, every good coach in the ACC is making liberal use of his bench.

 

[OrangeDW]

Unlike JB, every good coach in the ACC is making liberal use of his bench.

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Zion’s average minutes have gone up. This could pose a big problem for Duke. You want to play your good players and bad players about the same. This keeps your good players fresh and develops your bad players.

 

[tbonezone]

Cav's 1 player top 20. duke 1 player top 20. Vtech 3 players top 20. N.C. 0 top 20. cards 1 top 20.
again we got 3 top 12.

 

[OrangeDW]

Cav's 1 player top 20. duke 1 player top 20. Vtech 3 players top 20. N.C. 0 top 20. cards 1 top 20.
again we got 3 top 12.

Cavs - 7 players in double digit minutes. Duke- 8. Cuse - 9. BOOOO-YEAH!! We win! Eat it! You! You! You! You! You!

 

[br801]

Cav's 1 player top 20. duke 1 player top 20. Vtech 3 players top 20. N.C. 0 top 20. cards 1 top 20.
again we got 3 top 12.

Is there a strong negative correlation between the number of players a team has in the top 20 in minutes played in conference and a team's winning percentage that I don't know about?

 

[OrangeDW]

Is there a strong negative correlation between the number of players a team has in the top 20 in minutes played in conference and a team's winning percentage that I don't know about?

We should be playing the “turnover machine” and the “bad shooter” more to develop them. Duh. Because...GET BOEHEIM.

 

[longtimefan]

Cav's 1 player top 20. duke 1 player top 20. Vtech 3 players top 20. N.C. 0 top 20. cards 1 top 20.
again we got 3 top 12.

UVA and Duke are bad examples. Both have won numerous blowouts, where their starters get to spend extended minutes on the bench in garbage time.

 

[tbonezone]

like when they're up say ...idk 20 points ?

 

[OrangeDW]

UVA and Duke are bad examples. Both have won numerous blowouts, where their starters get to spend extended minutes on the bench in garbage time.

I tried to make that point to him awhile ago. It’s hopeless. 24/7 “get Boeheim” mode.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Cav's 1 player top 20. duke 1 player top 20. Vtech 3 players top 20. N.C. 0 top 20. cards 1 top 20.
again we got 3 top 12.

Ok. So we are playing more people and the starters are playing fewer minutes and you are still not happy.

What exactly would make you happy? 10 guys playing 20 minutes each?

And what exactly is your point regarding the distribution of minutes? Would we be a better team with a better record at this point in the season if we played with your optimized minutes?

You keep referring to it but there is no point attached to it.