The Game is not going retro?

[djcon57]

A year after Edey, Clingan, DJ at NC State….was being claimed that the college game was going retro and you needed a scoring center so we grabbed Eddie.

Look at the final 4 this year and the type of centers we’re going for. Do we all agree that was a 1 year anomaly and this year was a mistake for us?

 

[tptcuse]

A year after Edey, Clingan, DJ at NC State….was being claimed that the college game was going retro and you needed a scoring center so we grabbed Eddie.

Look at the final 4 this year and the type of centers we’re going for. Do we all agree that was a 1 year anomaly and this year was a mistake for us?

We can all agree with the end of your post.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Guardssss is the answer always.

 

[MSOrange]

Guardssss is the answer always.

Seems like this past season would have shown us that. I was really concerned that we hadn't learned that when insiders were mentioning we were saving $1 million for a center again, but I feel good that we have a much better answer at PG this season now.

 

[Blanko97]

Seems like this past season would have shown us that. I was really concerned that we hadn't learned that when insiders were mentioning we were saving $1 million for a center again, but I feel good that we have a much better answer at PG this season now.

you can pay for a good center and have it be worth it. But you need a stretch 5, not a traditional post up 5.

 

[Cusefan0307]

you can pay for a good center and have it be worth it. But you need a stretch 5, not a traditional post up 5.

Edey and Clingan were none of that. The issue is they are both one in 10 year type players.

 

[Cuse1055]

Glad we have strong guards next year.

 

[Marsh01]

I would take a dominant center any day

 

[HyattsCuse]

They might not all have lottery picks like Edey/Clingan, but 3/4 of this year’s Final 4 teams all have very good big guys. Florida’s 3 big guys are skilled, Duke has Maluach and the other 5 star backup kid has played well, and Auburn has Broome/Cardwell. And Roberts is a key guy on Houston though he’s more of a forward.

Plenty of big man influence still in the game.

 

[sufandu]

Interior guys have scored a lot of points for teams that went far in the tournament this year. Clearly you can't have big men without perimeter players, but you're also less likely to have success without inside play. You need some level of balance.

 

[djcon57]

They might not all have lottery picks like Edey/Clingan, but 3/4 of this year’s Final 4 teams all have very good big guys. Florida’s 3 big guys are skilled, Duke has Maluach and the other 5 star backup kid has played well, and Auburn has Broome/Cardwell. And Roberts is a key guy on Houston though he’s more of a forward.

Plenty of big man influence still in the game.

Didn’t say influence. The claim was the center was going to be the core of the teams going forward like old school basketball.

Clearly the guards are most important this year. Obviously teams need an inside game

 

[Cheriehoop]

Didn’t say influence. The claim was the center was going to be the core of the teams going forward like old school basketball.

Clearly the guards are most important this year. Obviously teams need an inside game

SU very rarely had centers who were a focus of the offense, however they were almost always a major key to our defense.

 

[CardiacCuse]

A year after Edey, Clingan, DJ at NC State….was being claimed that the college game was going retro and you needed a scoring center so we grabbed Eddie.

Look at the final 4 this year and the type of centers we’re going for. Do we all agree that was a 1 year anomaly and this year was a mistake for us?

it really just depends who the centers are (on your team and in ncaa, in general)...in the mutombo years...or the edey/clingan years you better have a good center...seems this last season it was a light yea...but you never know...never wanna be caught out ...


the best teams SU history almost always had a dominant center (or at least paint scorer)...and not just a tall guy in there to play d and be tall. its important...even though you can get away with not having one sometimes...the ceiling is ALWAYS higher with a good big man.

 

[Cusefan0307]

it really just depends who the centers are (on your team and in ncaa, in general)...in the mutombo years...or the edey/clingan years you better have a good center...seems this last season it was a light yea...but you never know...never wanna be caught out ...


the best teams SU history almost always had a dominant center (or at least paint scorer)...and not just a tall guy in there to play d and be tall. its important...even though you can get away with not having one sometimes...the ceiling is ALWAYS higher with a good big man.

We averaged 30 wins a year from 2011 to 2014 and the most points we got from a center was 7.8 with Fab in 2012. Most of that was dunks and put backs.

Since Arinze and RJ whenever we built our team through our bigs we have been mostly terrible. Christmas, Jesse, and Lampkin this year.

 

[Red2003]

We averaged 30 wins a year from 2011 to 2014 and the most points we got from a center was 7.8 with Fab in 2012 and most of that was dunks and put backs.

Since Arinze and RJ whenever we built our team through our bigs we have been mostly terrible. Christmas, Jesse and Lampkin this year.

Exactly this is what I remember. Besides AO. We were great for most of 15 years from 2003-2019 with what. Forth's, McNeils, Gormans hahah. Centers that were reasonable but not memorable as dominant across the league.

 

[CardiacCuse]

We averaged 30 wins a year from 2011 to 2014 and the most points we got from a center was 7.8 with Fab in 2012. Most of that was dunks and put backs.

Since Arinze and RJ whenever we built our team through our bigs we have been mostly terrible. Christmas, Jesse, and Lampkin this year.

fab was a mcd all american who playd in the NBA

jesse was an afterthought that saved the season when he came on...and torpedoed the season when he left. raks senior year, the team wouldnt have won 5 games without him

i NEVER said build a team SOLELY RELIANT on a center. where did anyone say that?


if youre saying have good bigs and poor guards...then yeah thats a bad idea

duh

no one is saying that.

PLENTY of great syracuse teams have had BOTH inside and outside players...in fact, almost all of them had. very few syracuse teams with no inside scoring have been anything more than mediocre.

 

[Cusefan0307]

fab was a mcd all american who playd in the NBA

jesse was an afterthought that saved the season when he came on...and torpedoed the season when he left. raks senior year, the team wouldnt have won 5 games without him

i NEVER said build a team SOLELY RELIANT on a center. where did anyone say that?


if youre saying have good bigs and poor guards...then yeah thats a bad idea

duh

no one is saying that.

PLENTY of great syracuse teams have had BOTH inside and outside players...in fact, almost all of them had. very few syracuse teams with no inside scoring have been anything more than mediocre.

I know Fab was a McDonalds all american. His prime value was on the defensive end of the court. My point was we did not design our offense through him. It was put backs and dunks. He was not a post up player. We didn't have one the following two years either. He scored in double figures just 11 times in 30 games.

Those offenses were built on perimeter players. Dion, Triche, Joseph, Southerland etc.

 

[DoctahLexus]

We averaged 30 wins a year from 2011 to 2014 and the most points we got from a center was 7.8 with Fab in 2012. Most of that was dunks and put backs.

Since Arinze and RJ whenever we built our team through our bigs we have been mostly terrible. Christmas, Jesse, and Lampkin this year.

Did we "build our teams through our bigs" or did we have better success identifying/recruiting talent at center than at other positions? Do not think having a center end up as one of our better players means we were mainly focused on building those teams through centers. Jesse was a serious project as a recruit and we kind of hit the lottery with him developing as well as he did, for example.