Two Things Need To Be Done
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NCAA Prez Mark Emmert was on the DG show yesterday and he said that he is completely against the "one and done" rule. The NCAA did not make the rule, the NBA did. They should do away entirely with that rule, it is a joke. He even acknowledged that a kid who goes to school with the intention of only playing 1 year, won't go to class after the 1st semester. If a kid coming out of HS wants to go pro, let him try. If that won't work, head overseas to play. The "one and done" rule is a mockery.
He also said that there is no way that the NCAA will EVER pay student-athletes. He said the NCAA would go away before that happened.
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I agree with the two year rule. So many kids flame out because they leave to early, and your right its killing the college game. The minor league, are you talking about a league instead of going to college? or like the developmental league for the NBA?
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So the NBA made the one and done rule.. How hard would it be for the NCAA to just make a 2 year rule? If you wanna play college ball, you stay two years. If you dont like it, go overseas for a year
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No clue. Bobby Knight has talked in the past about a 2 or 3 year rule so that student-athletes have to be exactly that. Versus being able to just blow off the 2nd semester like they do now.
I have no clue how easy it would be for the NCAA to do a 2 year rule, but I still think it would be a joke.
Boeheim was asked the other day on Mike and Mike where this team fared in his history of great teams, and he quickly said that the teams in the 80's and early 90's were better than any of the teams you see today because of the fact that you didn't have kids coming and going at the clip you see now. Teams were loaded with veterans that had played together for a few years.
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If he is truly against the one year rule, which is an NBA rule not an NCAA rule, they should take some steps to push back. I don't know if the NBA would change the rule just at the NCAA's request, however they could do things to apply pressure to the NBA that might get them to fall in line.
One thing they could do is threaten not to treat a kid that has entered the draft as having irrevocably given up his eligibility. This would the entire draft system as kids would be given an alternative to accepting their draft position. If they didn't get drafted highly enough, or didn't like the situation they were drafted into, they could return to school. Given that the NBA is really a one round draft and teams rely on the players taken in the draft to round out their rosters, if not form the foundation of their team, I think the uncertainty would be a huge fly in the NBA's ointment.
They could also take it in a whole different direction and really up the standards for admission - or not allow admissions standards to be compromised to get players that have no business being in school in the door.
Not sure what the answers are, but I agree that continuing down the same path thinking that all players that are presently there should be treated as though they are there to get a degree is just being ignorant to the reality that college basketball has become.
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Just expand the D league...let all these 18 year old kids hang there for a few seasons...either you move up or out.
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How can you force kids to stay in school 2 years?
They take a scholarship, play 1 year, get NBA ideas and sign with an agent.
Bingo
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Make them sign a two year scholarship... Pretty much a contract. They give they school at least 2 years, the school gives them a free ride. They wanna void the contract, they pay the college... but I guess with an NBA contract $$ that wouldnt matter.. I dont know. The NCAA and the NBA need to get together and come up with something
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I think this would be the best way to clean things up. The NBA could adopt a rule like in baseball where once you elect to go to a four year college you are not draft eligible until after your Junior Year. If you prefer not to go to college then you have a true D league (minor league) available as an option. Finally there are always the Euro and other International teams as an option.
Obviously it would change the college game dramatically, but I think it would ultimately be a good change.
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What would a 2 year rule change? The spring semester of year 2 would be the same problem that it is for year 1 now. Kids would decide at the beginning of soph yr they're leaving and screw over the program
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The problem really isn't one year vs. two years vs. three years. It is kids who want to play professionally and have zero interest in attending college, but are forced there by the system. If a kid truly wanted his degree, but blew up after a year or two - and decided to leave college to play professionally, he likely would be in good academic standing when he left because he had the underlying motivation of getting a degree in the first place.
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That's what I'm saying. Why force a kid like Josh Selby to go to KU? The kid barely made it out of high school.
Exactly. And that's what makes this whole Melo deal bizarre as hell. Kids play in the tourney all the time who have not been going to class much if at all in the 2nd semester. Only at Syracuse would a player be suspended by the school mid 2nd semester. My guess is after the first suspension they put him on some sort of plan and he failed to meet the requirements so they booted him.
Say goodbye to Noel. Why would he come here and be subjected to extra academic guidelines than he would have to deal with at Kentucky or by the NCAA. At UK, he will simply have to pass enough credits in the 1st semester and then he can bail on school completely, play in the tournament and turn pro.
And please save the Syracuse is an academic institution replies blah blah blah. Your kidding yourselves if you think these kids come to school to learn. They come to play basketball. And if they can do that somewhere without having to try in the classroom, they will.
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NCAA can't force a kid to stay & stay eligible. Rule would have to come from NBA that if a player goes to college he loses draft eligibility for two years. I think baseball has something similiar.
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I don't see a fit between SU and your post.
1- If Noel's searching for the school with the lowest academic standards, SU would not be in his final 25, let alone his final 5. There is a long list of schools he could attend (and we know who's at the top of the list) if he wants to pretend his way through 3 months of basketweaving;
2- Even though SU has an elite BB program it is still (and always has been) an academic institution. Every recruit is told clearly that attending class and passing academic requirements are part of the SU's DNA; JB is even on record as saying he doesn't recruit declared one and dones. True, academic suspension doesn't happen all that often in MBB, but on ocassion it does when there is an attitude problem -- then all the academic support/tutors and study tables in the world won't be enough. Other sports here see this much more often - you've probably noticed the FB players who disappear every year. Like FB, MBB players take classes in the summer to reduce their load during the busy season. They may not all make it to commencement exercises, but while they're here, they well know that they have to attend class and get passing grades. If they can't meet the challenges of the free education they're offered, they're not eligible to play sports no matter who they are or how much they help the team's rankings;
3- Another thing missing in your post is any appreciation for the benefits that players receive by going to college. There is no 'college requirement'. Players can go to Europe if they want to play out of HS, or they can wait a year and enter the draft (assuming they're 19). If they choose to attend college, in exchange for going to class and passing (and maybe learning something), top recruits get to develop their skills against elite teams and gain exposure from the huge media machine that follows college hoops. Even if a player hates 'school', a year of college will develop/showcase his skills and help him make better choices either in pro sports or as a citizen in later life -- some players even return to complete their degrees after their sports careers are over.
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