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Message: [QUOTE="FRANKIEFAN, post: 5157758, member: 6729"] I think Ville's team last year was far better. Jahwar and a RB that got drafted early Plummer is better than Shough. I don't think they have a prayer of going 2-0 vs GT and ND. Every team in the league would get curb stomped by UGA week 1 so I don't think you can hold that against Clemson and Miami is a playoff top 12 lock if Ward stays healthy all season. Even if they get upset somewhere they won't implode or routinely play down to crap teams like UVA like they do annually. Martinez and Restrapo are better versions of Pena and Allen. We're fortunate to play them so late and its probably a weird game where one team has a spot locked up in the ACC CG. Plus Ward may not make it that far. They should be ranked top 5 not 12 IMO. [/QUOTE]