Was at the game yesterday...

[Jake]

not sure what's been posted and what hasn't. Not going to sift through 2 days worth of posts. A couple of things.

As bad as we think Higgins is, he wasn't the referee that botched the majority of the calls, in fact he was least culpable of the trio. Not sure what game the other two referees were watching, but it wasn't the SU -ND game. It was so bad that even the ND students were laughing at how bad the officiating was in their favor.

There was a scrum for a lose ball near the student section, an ND player was at least of foot OB when he saved the ball. No call. the students near the call just started laughing. The official later told the SU bench that he blew the call. At least he was honest about his own incompetence.

The Cooley play. Geeze. I just don't how a five second call, three seconds or a flagrant elbow weren't called there. The push off by Scoop was a joke and the two drives where KJ and Dion were clubbed like baby seals - just amazing the no calls in those cases.

But having said that, we played like and referees tend to reward the aggressor. And we certainly werent the aggressor last night. Not only did we not rebound well, there were stretches where we weren't even close to getting a board. Keita and Xmas jsut don't have the girth or desire to mix it up and Kjoseph is too busy worrying about leaking out on fastbreaks to bother with rebounding.

Speaking of KJo, he got the business end of JB's anger after he got stripped by foreign dude. That game certainly was not going to make NBA scouts drool. He compounded his mistakes with a lack of leadership and effort.

If you haven't seen the Asian girl who kicks bowls on her head while on a unicycle, she was the half time show. She was the only thing more accurate than ND's shooters. Pretty amazing. Students loved here, place went nuts.

Its hard to have a bad time when you go to Notre Dame. Its a great campus, with friendly people and the gym is small with a great atmosphere.

 

[Ghost]

not sure what's been posted and what hasn't. Not going to sift through 2 days worth of posts. A couple of things.

As bad as we think Higgins is, he wasn't the referee that botched the majority of the calls, in fact he was least culpable of the trio. Not sure what game the other two referees were watching, but it wasn't the SU -ND game. It was so bad that even the ND students were laughing at how bad the officiating was in their favor.

There was a scrum for a lose ball near the student section, an ND player was at least of foot OB when he saved the ball. No call. the students near the call just started laughing. The official later told the SU bench that he blew the call. At least he was honest about his own incompetence.

The Cooley play. Geeze. I just don't how a five second call, three seconds or a flagrant elbow weren't called there. The push off by Scoop was a joke and the two drives where KJ and Dion were clubbed like baby seals - just amazing the no calls in those cases.

Amazingly I wasn't sure that Dion got fouled on that play. I sort of agreed with the announcers that it looked bad, but there really wasn't much contact. Although considering we had Higgins who freely calls fouls before they happen and often without being able to see the play I'm not sure how he didn't go with a whistle on that one because it looked pretty ugly.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not exactly the best of birthdays, eh?

 

[jekelish]

Amazingly I wasn't sure that Dion got fouled on that play. I sort of agreed with the announcers that it looked bad, but there really wasn't much contact. Although considering we had Higgins who freely calls fouls before they happen and often without being able to see the play I'm not sure how he didn't go with a whistle on that one because it looked pretty ugly.

Agreed. I thought the replays showed that was very little, if any, contact on either Kris or Dion there.

 

[44cuse]

Amazingly I wasn't sure that Dion got fouled on that play. I sort of agreed with the announcers that it looked bad, but there really wasn't much contact. Although considering we had Higgins who freely calls fouls before they happen and often without being able to see the play I'm not sure how he didn't go with a whistle on that one because it looked pretty ugly.

I don't think he was fouled on that play either. Looked bad, but little to no contact.

44cuse

 

[Rossco123]

“Kjoseph is too busy worrying about leaking out on fastbreaks to bother with rebounding.

Speaking of KJo, he got the business end of JB's anger after he got stripped by foreign dude. That game certainly was not going to make NBA scouts drool. He compounded his mistakes with a lack of leadership and effort.“



Some will remember that KJ tried out for the Can. National team after his freshman year. Leo sent him packing and Orange fans wondered why?
The ABOVE was the reason then----and it hasn’t changed.

 

[tbonezone]

can someone please enlighten me as to what happened during the irish possession around the 10:00 mark when our D stripped the ball and cooley retrieved it near the baseline.suddenly the shot clock has reset to a fresh 35 seconds.certainly no shot was taken. was the claim that we had possession? i certainly missed that.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Dion was not fouled. He ran into a guy half a foot taller than him with his hands straight up.

 

[JohnCuse44]

can someone please enlighten me as to what happened during the irish possession around the 10:00 mark when our D stripped the ball and cooley retrieved it near the baseline.suddenly the shot clock has reset to a fresh 35 seconds.certainly no shot was taken. was the claim that we had possession? i certainly missed that.

Noticed the same thing. Quote to my wife "How the *** are there 35 sec on the shot clock"

 

[SUintheVille]

quote="Jake, post: 160055, member: 86"]not sure what's been posted and what hasn't. Not going to sift through 2 days worth of posts. A couple of things.

there were stretches where we weren't even close to getting a board. Keita and Xmas jsut don't have the girth or desire to mix it up and Kjoseph is too busy worrying about leaking out on fastbreaks to bother with rebounding.[/quote]

That one word pretty much sums it up with rebounding...desire. Rebounding is not that hard if you want it and go after it. Standing around waiting for the ball to fall into your lap doesn't get it done. Also, whatever happened to "boxing out?" I saw ND do it several times.

 

[007]

not sure what's been posted and what hasn't. Not going to sift through 2 days worth of posts. A couple of things.

Speaking of KJo, he got the business end of JB's anger after he got stripped by foreign dude. That game certainly was not going to make NBA scouts drool. He compounded his mistakes with a lack of leadership and effort.

IF KJo is worried about impressing scouts, he needs to learn how to speak Italian or Spanish...

 

[tbonezone]

IF KJo is worried about impressing scouts, he needs to learn how to speak Italian or Spanish...

"soy suave"

 

[Cuseregular]

good seeing you on the tube, AGAIN. Got a future ahead of you in the lights its starting to look like.

 

[Garbs]

if KJo is going to play like he did on Saturday he does not deserve more than 25 minutes, although if CJ wasn't playing so bad he might not have in the end but JB could not find a lineup that worked.

To answer the shot clock question I think they gave us possession but it was debatable

 

[AZOrange]

can someone please enlighten me as to what happened during the irish possession around the 10:00 mark when our D stripped the ball and cooley retrieved it near the baseline.suddenly the shot clock has reset to a fresh 35 seconds.certainly no shot was taken. was the claim that we had possession? i certainly missed that.

Had the same thought! must have called a change of possession...

 

[BlackSquirrels]

The Cooley play. Geeze. I just don't how a five second call, three seconds or a flagrant elbow weren't called there. The push off by Scoop was a joke and the two drives where KJ and Dion were clubbed like baby seals - just amazing the no calls in those cases.

One of the other officials was Mike Roberts. I attended the Providence game, which he also reffed, and he was woeful that night as well. Boeheim was arguing with him for most of the game.

The Cooley play was neither 5 seconds (he dribbled at one point) nor 3 seconds (he was not in the key), but he did push off much more violently than the foul ultimately whistled on SU that bailed him out. IIRC Roberts called the foul on that play as well as the push off against Jardine.

 

[reedny]

One of the other officials was Mike Roberts. I attended the Providence game, which he also reffed, and he was woeful that night as well. Boeheim was arguing with him for most of the game.

The Cooley play was neither 5 seconds (he dribbled at one point) nor 3 seconds (he was not in the key), but he did push off much more violently than the foul ultimately whistled on SU that bailed him out. IIRC Roberts called the foul on that play as well as the push off against Jardine.

There was a post saying that Cooley's campout lasted 9 seconds. Assuming this is true, there was probably a 5 second call before the dribble. Regardless, the only way a Ref watches that whole sequence and then calls a foul on the visiting team after 9 seconds of elbows -- is if the Ref is waiting for an excuse to call something on SU. Roberts should have been honest and put on an ND uniform. At least then it's 6 on 5 and you know who you're playing.

Even in the second half (when the stripes decided they had better call a few on ND for appearances sake), each of the 2-3 times that SU mounted a comeback, the officials (usually Roberts) would blow the whistle on SU at BOTH ends of the floor. The foul on scoop was a perfect example -- the phantom 'pushoff'. And how about that out of bounds play? How can an official watch that game and miss a guy who's a foot OB? I'll tell you how -- he's got "ND" (home team) written on his chest.

On balance, with our poor shooting and lack of poise, we were likely to loose this game anyway. Credit the win to ND's stellar shooting and good defense -- they didn't need the home-job they got from the refs in this contest.

 

[BlackSquirrels]

There was a post saying that Cooley's campout lasted 9 seconds. Assuming this is true, there was probably a 5 second call before the dribble.

There wasn't. I watched this play a few times and it is still available on espn3. Cooley caught the ball with 9 seconds left on the shot clock and dribbled with 5 seconds remaining on the shot clock. The whistle sounded with 1 second on the shot clock.

 

[reedny]

There wasn't. I watched this play a few times and it is still available on espn3. Cooley caught the ball with 9 seconds left on the shot clock and dribbled with 5 seconds remaining on the shot clock. The whistle sounded with 1 second on the shot clock.

Ok, I'll go with your review. I havn't had a chance to watch this in slow-mo and count. I still thought the officiating stunk.