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What the stats say leading into Clemson

IthacaMatt

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Taking a look at the NCAA statistics after 4 games, we will see the following:

Total Offense: we still rank 9th, with over 507 yards a game. But Clemson is not far behind, at 474 ypg, good enough for 21st in the country.

On the offensive side of the ball, we are both throwing it efficiently, and are 29th and 35th, respectively, completing 67.9% and 66.9% of our passes (including those thrown by the back-ups).

Our running game is performing better than Clemson to date, out-gaining them 213 to 199 yards per game (16th and 28th in the country). They are 3rd in First Downs with 111; we are right behind them in 8th with 108 through 4 games.

We are 22nd in passing offense with 294 yards per game; they are 37th at 275 ypg. We are both pretty good converting 3rd down opportunities - 50.9% for us, 47.4% for them. Not a huge difference, but again, we are a bit better so far, statistically speaking. Neither team is insane like Army about going for it on 4th down. Neither of us are in the Top 50 in that category.

On defense, Clemson has given up only 57 first downs so far this year, good for 9th fewest in the nation. Even though they have lost a couple games, people must be doing it with long plays or turnovers.

Syracuse is not far behind, tied for 29th fewest first downs allowed in the nation - with only 67 allowed - and 12 of them were from penalties awarding the opponent first down. (Clemson had 5 of those ...)

In terms of total defense, Clemson is 8th and we remain 15th, giving up only 14 yards more per game than they have.

However, we are FIRST IN THE NATION in red zone defense. How about that?? This is a relative weakness on a very good Clemson team so far this year.

Both teams have generated two TDs from their defense so far.

Another big factor is turnover margin - we are tied for 9th so far, at +5 after 4 games. Clemson is not doing well in this area and is not in the Top 50 in the country.

Turning to special teams, Stone Foot bounced back in a big way after his poor game at Purdue. He now ranks 11th in the nation in net punting yardage, with a net of better than 43 yards per kick. Clemson is not in the Top 50. Another area of opportunity.

All in all, we should have a puncher's chance in this game. Clemson will probably be a little less fired up than they might have been, since they are pretty much out of the National Championship picture and it's still only September.

Dino has coached well against Dabo in the past. Dabo made some really dumb calls at the end of the Florida State game. We maybe have a coaching advantage, if you can believe it.

If our offensive line doesn't completely get over-run, the rest of the game looks pretty even.
 

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Another stat is field goal %.
Denaburg has made 6 of 7 or 85.7% with his longest being 46 yards while Clemson has used 2 different kickers and made just 2 of 6 attempts - 33.3% with their longest being 30 yards.
 

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This is going to be a game where all the small details matter. Be better on specials (hit our damn FGs, and make good punts) and turnover Clemson more then we turnover the ball and we have an edge. If they beat us in those areas this is going to be a big challenge to win.
 

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Need a better game plan that counters the QB spy. Clemson has been able to slow the offense down when Cuse relies on Shrader's legs. They need to install some plays specific to Clemson's scheme. Trick/gadget plays, unbalanced looks etc...
 

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Allen will be the key. Can he get some yardage running the ball and can he be effective on swing passes? If Clemson takes him away, it could be a long day.
 

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I'm sure they will do what they've done and try to take away our RB running and force GS to run and beat him up
Hopefully Beck comes out calling better plans then vs Army
We start like that it's going to be a 52-0 beating
 

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Turnovers, punting average, fg%, all things that matter in tight games. 3 for 3 there.

At the end of the day, we’re gonna roll the ball out there and see who plays better. It would be awesome if it’s us.
`This is a great staff in all three phases, two highly regarded vets and a guy that is very experienced in the offense he’s running even if not being the OC.

The defense is in year four of this scheme and Rocky is going to put in things Clemson hasn’t seen.

On offense I hope we see more quick game. Alford has produced in the two games he’s played a lot in, Hatcher good three out of four. Brown has been consistent from the start.
 

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The problem with comparative stats in this case is that the strength of schedule between the two clubs is wildly different. Clemson has played two top 16 teams, including a #4, and we have played...well, you know.

They may have lost to those teams but that is irrelevant as it pertains to the stats themselves.

We have looked good so far, but we take a big jump in weight class on Saturday. Colgate, WMU, Purdue, and Army aren't walking into the Dome this week.
 

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`This is a great staff in all three phases, two highly regarded vets and a guy that is very experienced in the offense he’s running even if not being the OC.

The defense is in year four of this scheme and Rocky is going to put in things Clemson hasn’t seen.

On offense I hope we see more quick game. Alford has produced in the two games he’s played a lot in, Hatcher good three out of four. Brown has been consistent from the start.
I think our special teams has played poorly so far this season. Lots of dumb penalties, missed extra points/FG, shanked punts, muffed punts, poor decisions fielding the ball. Kickoffs have been solid for the most part but overall our special teams have been less than special. We need to do better.
 

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The problem with comparative stats in this case is that the strength of schedule between the two clubs is wildly different. Clemson has played two top 16 teams, including a #4, and we have played...well, you know.

They may have lost to those teams but that is irrelevant as it pertains to the stats themselves.

We have looked good so far, but we take a big jump in weight class on Saturday. Colgate, WMU, Purdue, and Army aren't walking into the Dome this week.
I was thinking the same thing - switch schedules and what do we think the numbers are?
 

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The problem with comparative stats in this case is that the strength of schedule between the two clubs is wildly different. Clemson has played two top 16 teams, including a #4, and we have played...well, you know.

They may have lost to those teams but that is irrelevant as it pertains to the stats themselves.

We have looked good so far, but we take a big jump in weight class on Saturday. Colgate, WMU, Purdue, and Army aren't walking into the Dome this week.
All true. At the same time, our stats have largely reflected our starters not playing for an entire game.
 

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Another stat is field goal %.
Denaburg has made 6 of 7 or 85.7% with his longest being 46 yards while Clemson has used 2 different kickers and made just 2 of 6 attempts - 33.3% with their longest being 30 yards.

Yes, that's a terrific advantage, Cherie. Clemson is going to feel forced to go for it when they are around our 30-40 yard line.
 

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The problem with comparative stats in this case is that the strength of schedule between the two clubs is wildly different. Clemson has played two top 16 teams, including a #4, and we have played...well, you know.

They may have lost to those teams but that is irrelevant as it pertains to the stats themselves.

We have looked good so far, but we take a big jump in weight class on Saturday. Colgate, WMU, Purdue, and Army aren't walking into the Dome this week.
SU has had a perfect schedule for this team. New coordinators, new kickers, rolling in a new set of starting WR’s, new starting TB, 4 new starting OL. One thing that is a change is the program doesn’t have to throw true freshmen into starting roles because there are no other options.

Has it been a formidable schedule, no, but given the above couldn’t have been set up better.
 

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This is going to be a game where all the small details matter. Be better on specials (hit our damn FGs, and make good punts) and turnover Clemson more then we turnover the ball and we have an edge. If they beat us in those areas this is going to be a big challenge to win.

I think this is 100% right.
 

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The problem with comparative stats in this case is that the strength of schedule between the two clubs is wildly different. Clemson has played two top 16 teams, including a #4, and we have played...well, you know.

They may have lost to those teams but that is irrelevant as it pertains to the stats themselves.

We have looked good so far, but we take a big jump in weight class on Saturday. Colgate, WMU, Purdue, and Army aren't walking into the Dome this week.

You're absolutely right, Dick, but you can only play the teams they put in front of you.

That said, Clemson is overall #38 in strength of schedule so far, and we are #68. So, yes, our stats should be discounted a fair amount, relatively speaking.

I don't think that the stats themselves are irrelevant, though. It's a measure of how we have done against the competition, and to be fair, we are playing well in all aspects of the game. That's what you see in our stats.
 

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Allen will be the key. Can he get some yardage running the ball and can he be effective on swing passes? If Clemson takes him away, it could be a long day.

Allen gets better after Shrader has hit some passes, and the defensive line has begun to get a little tired. I did not like seeing Beck run him so much up the middle in the first couple drives vs. Army, but I guess he was trying to establish dominance of the O Line.
 

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I was thinking the same thing - switch schedules and what do we think the numbers are?

We're probably 3-1. It's not like Clemson has played Murderer's Row. They lost to Duke, who only had a 5-3 conference record last year, in their first winning season in 4 years. And they pummeled Charleston Southern and Florida Atlantic. Sure, Florida State is a terrific team, but Clemson lost to Duke and we beat Purdue and Army.
 

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SU has had a perfect schedule for this team. New coordinators, new kickers, rolling in a new set of starting WR’s, new starting TB, 4 new starting OL. One thing that is a change is the program doesn’t have to throw true freshmen into starting roles because there are no other options.

Has it been a formidable schedule, no, but given the above couldn’t have been set up better.
All true and I agree completely but that is not the point I was making.

I was making the point that comparing stats between teams with very different strength of schedules and then drawing conclusions from those comparisons is hard.
 

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