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I know there is another game in the ACC tournament and possibly more in the NCAA tournament, but all things considered (talent, pre-season ranking, potential, experience, expectations, and so on), is this the most disappointing season in SU sports history?

I'm talking about overall, not the way the season ended (for me NOTHING will ever top the disappointment of the way the 1987 men's basketball season ended).

Hopefully we make the NCAA and go on a run but it's hard to envision.
 
Recent memory 2019 football was a nice big disappointment
Not sure about further back or other sports.
 
Yup. I second the nomination. First time a 15 beat a 2. And I was there at Cole Fieldhouse to witness it. :(
That was brutal, but it was a really good season with a crappy ending. This (MLAX) was an entire season that was disappointing considering what we thought could/should happen.
 
I think this one would rank as more disappointing than the 2021 lacrosse season unless they beat ND on Friday and get to championship weekend. There is more talent on D on this team - also a better fogo, more skill on O. And...the '21 team had the Scanlan soap opera during the season, covid fallout and big time transfers that improved the other ACC teams after the 2020 season. I think most people would agree that all of the other ACC teams were much stronger and more talented in 2021 than they are now.

A win over ND on Friday could certainly help change the outlook but it will be very tough.
 
I think this one would rank as more disappointing than the 2021 lacrosse season unless they beat ND on Friday and get to championship weekend. There is more talent on D on this team - also a better fogo, more skill on O. And...the '21 team had the Scanlan soap opera during the season, covid fallout and big time transfers that improved the other ACC teams after the 2020 season. I think most people would agree that all of the other ACC teams were much stronger and more talented in 2021 than they are now.

A win over ND on Friday could certainly help change the outlook but it will be very tough.

I put this year and 2021 on very similar projections to be honest. Eerily similar type of years save for the lack of blowouts this year (certainly a good thing). I agree this years team is more talented then the 2021 squad so this year probably ranks ahead. Very disappointing to say the least.
 
Do we know if the team has called a "players only" meeting? You only hear about these when it's leaked to the media by the players/coach because the squad has hit rock bottom. Nothing fires me up more than hearing about a players only meeting - it gives me an unfounded sense of confidence like, "Yup - things are going to be different moving forward!" Do they work? It's the equivalent of my wife calling a parents only meeting where "we" discuss my Saturday afternoon drinking...
 
I would say the 1993 football season, Marvin Graves senior year. #6 preseason ranking, coming off the Fiesta Bowl win the season before. The 1993 team didn't make a bowl game and lost 49-0 and 43-0 in consecutive weeks.
 
The preseason rank for us was based on the returning talent we had compared to other teams. We still had several question marks like a lot of teams in the top 10. It was not a case of us looking like a juggernaut in 2024 and getting the ranking for that reason. We lost in the quarters in 2024. I am not saying Gait is not a problem, but a big issue is that our new faces getting playing time this year have severely under-performed, aside from our goalie replacement in McCool.

The most glaring weaknesses are our replacements in the middle of the field. Our 2nd middie line has laid a total egg in the stat sheet in the last two games aside from a Cordez offball finish against UNC. That is a nightmare, especially when we have starters like Hiltz dealing with injuries and Rhoa/Leo's health being questionable as well. If the depth is not able to step up, then injuries like that are devastating for our performance. If the depth is not there, then you cannot afford to have off games from guys like Rhoa and Leo, whether it is because of health or otherwise.

Another question mark was the third attack to go along with Hiltz and Spallina, which got more complicated when Thomson went down. I know we have some Anderson fans, but I feel like there is some active ignoring of his bad plays and ineffective dodging. Like our second line middies, he has had flashes where he looks excellent, but the reality is that he has been bottled up in a lot of these matchups, including a 0-0 and 4 turnover statline against Duke, and not even drawing a slide coming out of the box against UNC, even when matched up with a short stick multiple times. Currently, Hiltz and Spallina are much stronger threats in all areas, including dodging, and that is against tougher matchups than what Anderson gets. I strongly believe that the answer to our problems is not simply making Spallina and Hiltz (who have 63 assists) offball guys, while giving Anderson more runs as a qb.

Gait is implicated in the sloppy undisciplined play, the failure to improve with clearing, the inability to close out games. Gait/March/Odierna could be implicated in the sets we run not being the most optimal, although that gets more complicated to prove. But it is not a case of us having endless talent and still coming up short.
 
Totally agree with ya as been thinking bout it myself. I don’t think we have the depth. Besides the top 6-7 guys on O it seems to drop off a cliff. The second line mids just haven’t produce much at all. Now don’t have to score ton of goals to produce but not even getting assists or making plays to set up goals or assist. Which does make it worst when leo or rhoa or some other starter having an off game.

Guys need to step up ten fold friday night. Also i think english being oldest n leader needs to get in guys faces when their not doing what suppose to or not giving it great effort. Same goes with coaches. If someone is seen not hustling on play take them out and throw someone else in for few runs see if they give more effort. Dwan needs to get his butt in gear and shut down his matchup. He needs to feel the picks and either get thru it or blow it up so guy thinks twice bout trying to pick him. McCool has to be as good as he has but little bit better. Know it’s asking a lot but have to have to make every save suppose to now and steal as many as can not suppose to. Also someone tries coming into crease or go to net jimmy blow them up lay them out. I bet you my house they will not see you coming or expect it. Specially if you do it right before they go to shoot.

Mullen you need start off good n stay consistent. Have to win every other faceoff atleast or least couple in row if lose few in row. Have to play with the intensity and urgency as last 2 mins of unc game from the start. Play to win every single qtr. Make sure you score more then them every qtr you out groundball them, you make less turnovers. Cause turnovers and ride your butts off. Come out flat and go behind it’s gonna be a long long long off season. Leave it all on the field.
 
I know there is another game in the ACC tournament and possibly more in the NCAA tournament, but all things considered (talent, pre-season ranking, potential, experience, expectations, and so on), is this the most disappointing season in SU sports history?

I'm talking about overall, not the way the season ended (for me NOTHING will ever top the disappointment of the way the 1987 men's basketball season ended).

Hopefully we make the NCAA and go on a run but it's hard to envision.
To partially mention what you have about talent alone I am very disappointed that Gait isn't crawling up Cornell's back. Something is wrong here and they should find out what it is. I'm Pi$$D
 
I respectfully request people ignore this thread.
Great couple of wins this weekend.
Don’t fret. There’s about 4 other ones on this board that should be destroyed.
 

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