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OT: For the Nancy Cantor Fans Out There

LeMoyneCuse said:
The organization I worked for was constructed vaguely around that... I think. The Co-Directors of this organization made $200k a year combined and had all of their travel covered. You know what they did? Sit on conference calls all day. And one of them once told me that he couldn't explain to his wife what the purpose of the organization was. And his wife is a state-level politican who is used to vagueness.

My first staff meeting, it went on for 3.5 hours and didn't even get through the agenda. I sat through a weekly staff meeting once where they spent an hour discussing who should sit next to who at a dinner meeting.

Their big purpose was to have a national conference that was supposed to insight a program of change for the next year. The directors spent most of their time planning for the next conference.
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In my experience, way too much of any meeting (probably in any organization) is composed of discussions about the last meeting and the next meeting.
 
orangefog said:
She sure does. Clever little hobbit.
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Shaq agrees

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Scooch said:
The thing is, there is nothing inherently wrong with making a school "economically and racially diverse" or forging "connections with the city". Institutions, be them schools, corporations, or non-profits, are better when they are more diverse. And schools should certainly avoid being isolated from the communities they're in.

But it's all in the execution.

Cantor executed poorly.
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Exactly, I would actually love to see Syverud take some of these programs consolidate and re organize them into things that actually work. A few of which could even be profitable if run correctly and feed the others.

Saltworks could make a killing selling to Boston, NYC and locally. I tried to order a table from them it took them over a month just to return a call and an email and I loved the look and style of the furniture. they got back to me two days after I bought something else.
 
Steven Burd the author of that tripe "New America" foundation is a hammer and sickle type and that is the "new America" they want.
 
Scooch said:
The thing is, there is nothing inherently wrong with making a school "economically and racially diverse" or forging "connections with the city". Institutions, be them schools, corporations, or non-profits, are better when they are more diverse. And schools should certainly avoid being isolated from the communities they're in.

But it's all in the execution.

Cantor executed poorly.
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Nothing wrong with diversity in the student population, or being "connected" to the community. That doesn't justify millions of dollars for urban renewal. That's not the U's mission (not saying you thought otherwise).

I'll add something else -- striving to achieve socioeconomic balance in higher education is a viable goal at the community college level (or even a state school where Cantor is now). But at an expensive private University, it's a little like saying, we need different people to drive Porches and BMW's.
 
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Scooch said:
I was using quotes from the article.

But no, there is NOTHING wrong with "gender diversity" either. Certainly nothing wrong with a human being identifying however they damn well choose.
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I just want the school I went to higher ranked. My reasons are completely selfish at this point since i'm no longer attending SU. I just want to think I went to a top 40 university and it has retained that justifiable ranking in the eyes of the public.

The rest of the good community stuff and being respectful of individuals should be a no brainer no matter what. Sounds like Kent is executing on both.
 
Scooch said:
The thing is, there is nothing inherently wrong with making a school "economically and racially diverse" or forging "connections with the city". Institutions, be them schools, corporations, or non-profits, are better when they are more diverse. And schools should certainly avoid being isolated from the communities they're in.

But it's all in the execution.

Cantor executed poorly.
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SU is more diverse but it's not better, so it's not necessarily better to be be more diverse.

there might be some sweet spot of diversity but cantor assumed we had too little of it

when you try too hard to be diverse, you'll make mistakes. be color blind, let it work out how it should work out and that's how diverse you need to be
 
Scooch said:
Like I said, execution. And not for nothing, but "color blind" is meaningless tripe. People aren't color blind, we all have biases that come from our upbringing. It's fine to try and adjust for that a little. Again, execution.
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The way to stop being biased is to stop being biased.
 
Millhouse said:
The way to stop being biased is to stop being biased.
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And if the system is built to favor certain races or genders - just ignore it and hope it goes away?
 
RF2044 said:
Oy vey...
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Are you denying that the country was built largely favoring white males above all others? I didn't think that could be argued.

If that inequality isn't seen or acknowledged or in some way fought against (civil rights era, woman's rights movement) - it's destined to stay the same.
 
This is why I never, ever, ever post on the OT board. We're all SU fans and I want to like you all. That's tough enough when we're just discussing SU sports. I don't want to know any of your politics.

I deeply regret posting anything in this thread, and will pretend I never did starting... now.
 
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Scooch said:
This is why I never, ever, ever post on the OT board. We're all SU fans and I want to like you all. That's tough enough when we're just discussing SU sports. I don't want to know any of your politics. I deeply regret posting anything in this thread, and will pretend I never did starting... now.
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I concur. I will not discuss further.
 
TheCusian said:
And if the system is built to favor certain races or genders - just ignore it and hope it goes away?
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Ending your own bias isn't ignoring anything
 
TheCusian said:
Are you denying that the country was built largely favoring white males above all others? I didn't think that could be argued.

If that inequality isn't seen or acknowledged or in some way fought against (civil rights era, woman's rights movement) - it's destined to stay the same.
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No, I don't deny that. But I think that times have changed from the 1700s, and that the best way to dispense with discrimination based upon difference is to, you know, not discriminate based upon difference.

Cantor was terrrible--not because of what she stood for, but because how she implemented what she stood for was so incredibly poorly implemented, and was so diametrically opposed to operational best practice. It would be a different conversation if her fringe programs didn't adversely impact the university's national ratings, but they did.

Feeling positively about a cause--whichever side of the political spectrum you identify with--doesn't offset poor performance. And Cantor ran the university into the ground, from a ratings standpoint. Not sure that this can be objectively disputed.

So whether you agree with her politics are not is irrelevant. As is myopically pretending that criticism of Cantor has anything to do with her ontological perspectives instead of her horrendous managerial aptitude and road to nowhere "leadership."
 
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Millhouse said:
Ending your own bias isn't ignoring anything
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No - that's the right step personally. And it helps. (If you're aware of them).

I'm just saying that the system that is decades (centuries?) long - is still in place on a larger scale. That needs challenging from time to time (ie it's not moving quickly enough). I don't love affirmative action - but counter balancing against poverty and discrimination in some cases is needed.

Anyways - not trying to get into politics too much. I think we largely agree on ending our own biases as a good thing.
 
RF2044 said:
No, I don't deny that. But I think that times have changed from the 1700s, and that the best way to dispense with discrimination based upon difference is to, you know, not discriminate based upon difference. Cantor was terrrible--not because of what she stood for, but because how she implemented what she stood for was so incredibly poorly implemented, and was so diametrically opposed to operational best practice. It would be a different conversation if her fringe programs didn't adversely impact the university's national ratings, but they did. Feeling positively about a cause--whichever side of the political spectrum you identify with--doesn't offset poor performance. And Cantor ran the university into the ground, from a ratings standpoint. Not sure that this can be objectively disputed. So whether you agree with her politics are not is irrelevant. As is myopically pretending that criticism of Cantor has anything to do with her ontological perspectives instead of her horrendous managerial aptitude.
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I'm with you. As Scooch said - it's all in the execution.
 
I think we can all agree that the new administration is using the oldest and best disinfectant: sunlight.
 
Ottoble said:
Exactly, I would actually love to see Syverud take some of these programs consolidate and re organize them into things that actually work. A few of which could even be profitable if run correctly and feed the others.

Saltworks could make a killing selling to Boston, NYC and locally. I tried to order a table from them it took them over a month just to return a call and an email and I loved the look and style of the furniture. they got back to me two days after I bought something else.
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Those tables are incredible.
 
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