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I am guessing right about the time the FSU BOT has to approve the sixth or seventh bill for outside counsel and they realize the litigation is going nowhere fast.

The Leon County judge gave the ACC a technical victory but tossed FSU a life line. The case was dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction - where the court has authority over a person or entity (oversimplified, but enough for a fan site). This means that FSU failed to establish that the Leon...

We're with you Orange Bro. In spirit, not wallet, we have our limits.

Have no fear, Rutgers will simply raise student "fees", borrow more from the Rutgers bank, and demand more from taxpayers. They should be able to squeeze into the budget for a mere $10-$15MM, or so. NJCuse97 beat me to this punchline.

Not the dreaded potato knees! [gasps]

ESPN will have to ensure a soft landing or a big money payoff going to each ACC school or the real lawsuits will begin. Honestly, it makes no sense for ESPN to give up the ACC. It would be easy enough to merge the ACC and SEC if they want a power conference. Giving up the northeast in...

Agreed. Presently, NY, VA and NC will be left out as per most of the interwebs speculators. Also, AZ. The first three have powerful delegations and AZ would likely support them. The. Add in the delegations of the remaining states without a Power team and the situation will get ugly.

The networks' made offers that the PAC 12 rejected. That the PAC 12 disintegrated was not the responsibility of the networks. As for the networks, they are for-profit businesses. If they see an opportunity to make more money for their investors, they have a duty to investigate. They do not...

I don't blame you.

If ESPN assists FSU or Clemson in any way that damages the ACC/ACCN before they win it all in court, ESPN would be susceptible to a tortious interference claim. This is why neither the SEC nor the B1G will even slightly indicate their positions regarding ACC schools because a tortious...

I think ESPN fired a shot across the FSU now. Also, it is likely moot as the option would have some measurable to ensure both sides are protected and clear about the basis to discontinued the ACCN. Also, the fact that the two schools can save more money by waiting until ESPN plus the plug than...

Point 1: If FSU and Clemson believed their line that ESPN is going to cancel the ACCN, their respective lawsuits are a waste of good money as they need only wait a couple years and walk away. Point 2: Both FSU and Clemson have enjoyed the payments for many years. Voiding the contract which...

ESPN is Not involved with any of the three lawsuits except to inform the court that FSU has violated confidentiality/industrial secrets. FSU KNOWS they cannot sue ESPN even though the GOR is the deal the must be broken for them to move. FSU likely hopes that they can withdraw from the ACC on...

...and the ACCN is profitable... But who cares about facts when the lies are much more interesting.

Generally, I would agree with you. However, even though FSU floated a $100MM buyout before going to court, FSU does NOT have the money to pay the buyout. They are hoping to raise whatever money they need to buy out the ACC and the GOR (ESPN) and using the courts to drive the buyout downward...

I took a break and read a news feed from the Tampa Bay Times their version of play-by-play. The FL judge is allowing the trial in FL to continue,believes the ACC was forum shopping. While he may be technically correct as far as first to file, FSU will have to account fro breach of the clause...

We’ve all seen some refs who are already there…

Agreed, I would not put money down on smart. Like teenagers taking advice from parents, too often the teen believes they know better and will choose the shiny, glimmering gold tone option over the fundamentally sound and prudent option. But I can still hope intelligence will prevail...

I agree with your assessment. My thoughts are that after a few years of the top heavy SEC, most schools will realize the zero sum gain does not favor top heavy conferences. There can be only one conference champion each year. Texas, OU, Bama, LSU, and UGA cannot win regularly and the lesser...

I was originally thinking along the lines of a bunch of know-nothings solving real problems then having to implement their stupidity. Like McGyver without the brainpower, skill, thought processes, etc. Your suggestions work well. Maybe the "Real Morons of the Big 12". Sadly, the Big 12 has...

The point was correct but not explained, apologies. FSU "won" the point that they don't have a fiduciary duty to the ACC. This will be used against both FSU and Clemson when they argue, as indicated in their respective complaints, in their respective courts that the ACC has a fiduciary...

Sadly, the Big 12 has many more ignorant internet "ekkspurts" vying for supremacy of the garbage heap hill. The competition is tough, pushing the Dude hard. Who knows, with the idiocy some network may stay a "reality show" with these ekkspurts of the garbage heap.

The subtle point is that FSU won the matter of the fiduciary. This likely destroys FSU's and now Clemson's claim that the ACC has a fiduciary relationship. I have not read the decision, but the court ruling that the existence of a contract does not prove the fiduciary relationship* undercuts...

STOP right there! You obviously have not been viewing all of the Big12 fan videos delineating how easy it is to break the GOR and how FSU -and now Clemson, too- have outsmarted century old law, the great legal minds that are at the various P5 school, conferences, private firms, and TV networks...

Assuming this is true, FSU and Clemson will be sticking around for a while. Neither suit addresses the fundamental legal issues necessary to break the agreements they have made.

Just a reminder, Clemson is fighting the withdrawal fee and GOR legitimacy without the legally stated intent to leave. FSU wants out now but has no options but to throw a tantrum. Clemson is merely making a path so they can explore options. Much more of a mature approach. Though, I still...

Isn't this the start game? Where UM paid players to "attend" UM and play football, which lead to the "student athlete", you know, that romanticized fictional kid who was academically fit as well as athletically fit. He or she actually attended classes and earned real degrees. Ahhhh, the good...

Good point. The only thing that may interfere with this is that the Big 10 actually owns the BTN, at least in part. Leaving the B1G is a tough choice, kind of like Hotel California, "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave". Seriously, the bigger schools will want to form...

Just a few quick thoughts on Clemson's suit: 1) It's filed incorrectly in SC. Plainly, there are two cases in two other states. NC is the proper state and is the first. SC courts should defer to the first filing. 2) The case defeats FSU's case by denying an fiduciary duty. 3) Clemson makes...

He's right, most fans will not want yo watch a caste system of the elite CFB schools. Fans want yo watch their team(s).

I read the link to his full analysis, he shreds FSU. He includes the comments that the FSU presidents and board were well qualified to make decisions and that the complaint and amendment lack substance. Great find. With so many legal writers coming to the same conclusions as the attorneys on...

If I recall, the ACC responded to the FL lawsuit and included a request for summary judgment with an alternative to set aside the case pending the NC suit results. The ACC contract requires all suits are subject to NC venue and law. Further, FSU's complaint is conclusion stated as fact with no...

Discovery will need to be pursued, which is likely to be expensive. Very expensive. FSU should hope that both courts throw out the case on summary judgement. (Technically, the Florida court should dismiss the case and defer to the NC court and allow the NC court to throw out the case). Just...

JuSt MAybE oNCe oR TwICE... It amazes me how people still believe the ACC GOR may be broken easily but their GOR is locked tight. GORs are essentially the same from conference to conference, especially in the legal sense (where specific terms of time and money have virtually no impact). I was...

The most damage is to make them stay, accept their pay, less potential withdrawal and buyback of their rights (read: withhold everything), and release them once the ACC deal is up. If we could get everyone to beat them in every sport, that would be damaging, too.

Exactly! This has been discussed on this site. All of the prestigious law schools, the law experts at the networks and conferences and virtually every private firm that has the slightest idea of how to break the bonds has failed to figure it out. Silence is deafening. Once again, this site...

The Premise is a fool's errand. The sarcasm was spot on. While I, and most everyone else on both sides of the matter, would love the issue to go away, simply cutting a deal invalidates all GORs, with are the cornerstones of the ridiculous TV deals. Once the GOR is broken, anyone can break...

Great.find, TM. The copyright aspect is one I did not consider, I am no copyright attorney. This makes everything this board has discussed that much more sound in its analysis. FSU is now likely at "Nail, meet coffin".

To add to your point, in my experience here in SEC/Big 12 territory, the Big 12 fans don’t weigh all evidence. They grasp at any straw of hope to fit their narrative while ignoring all other evidence that does not fully jive with their opinion. Example: one blogger insists the ACC basically...

Adds new meaning to “we have met the enemy and he is us”. Walt Kelly, “ Pogo” https://library.osu.edu/site/40stories/2020/01/05/we-have-met-the-enemy/

I agree. My former assistant married a college baseball player. He was looking at a minor league deal that they would not have broken even on. He was not offered a huge signing bonus. To your point, a college degree (not issued to UNC athletes) is worth far more than a minor league contract...

You mean the pro team owners refuse to invest in lesser development leagues and lose money when they can have the universities develop players for free? I mean, it's a good deal for the owners, why ruffle feathers? Anyway, it is what should happen. But then the SEC would not be able to field...

I was believing you, Tom, until you included BC football fans. :cool:

Just an opinion: I think the real powers that be know they cannot completely disassociate with everyone. They need bottom feeders to elevate the powers and almost powers. In a close system, there are only so many wins available. Half will win, half will lose each game. By separating select...

I cannot access the article ; nevertheless, this move was expected. For FSU to have any chance, they need a biased court that will ignore the facts.

If the article is accurate, the ACC is included, which means that ESPN is not fully turning their back on the ACC. Time will tell...

And wait until they realize their education will be a likely taxed benefit. The IRS rarely misses an opportunity to exercise their duty to find revenue. And then the issue of public funding may be abolished as education cats the same for public and private schools. The difference lies in who...

When the P2 schools lose regularly to the P2 schools and cannot rack up enough wins from the body bag games to break even, viewership will wane. This is especially true if they wean off the bottom feeders and pull in a few more high level teams. The problem still remains that the P2 do not...

Maybe this will advance all matters. Maybe they will pay FSU's withdrawal fee and buy back their rights.

SEC team cheats. In other news, water is wet; the sky is blue, and Georgetown still sucks.