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For you baseball rules folks; why isn’t the Blue Jays pitcher Kevin Gausman’s motion a balk?

He subtly rocks back and forth on the rubber before delivering. He doesn’t stop rocking before beginning his delivery. Doesn’t the set position require the pitcher to be still?
 
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For you baseball rules folks; why isn’t the Blue Jays pitcher Kevin Gausman’s motion a ball?

He subtly rocks back and forth on the rubber before delivering. He doesn’t stop rocking before beginning his delivery. Doesn’t the set position require the pitcher to be still?

He got tagged with a balk for that about a week ago by the 2nd base ump. Went ballistic. The only reason he didn't get tossed is Bichette moved him back away from the ump. Yes, he pushes the edge as to whether he comes to a full stop. But also I get his point - he's been doing it all year, why is it a balk now? But I like it getting into his head. :)
 
The umpires don't know what a balk really is, he was called for a balk against Baltimore as previously mentioned, but the very next pitch was the exact same and no balk called.

 
For you baseball rules folks; why isn’t the Blue Jays pitcher Kevin Gausman’s motion a balk?

He subtly rocks back and forth on the rubber before delivering. He doesn’t stop rocking before beginning his delivery. Doesn’t the set position require the pitcher to be still?
I agree totally, noticed it the other night and couldn’t believe they allow it. Total BS
 
I don't disagree, but you can't let it go all season and then change for the playoffs.
 
I believe it's because he is constantly rocking. Once he stops and rocks again, it's a balk unless he throws to home, base or comes off the rubber.
 
The umpires don't know what a balk really is, he was called for a balk against Baltimore as previously mentioned, but the very next pitch was the exact same and no balk called.



Now I am not saying whether it is a balk or not... it looks like it. But the league umpire office has opined that it is not for whatever reason.

This ump decided to warn Gausman right before the game about it, and then called it on the first pitch thrown by Gausman that game and told him he called it to make a point. I can understand why Gausman was pissed.

The umpire was likely disciplined by the league for it. It's clear he was grandstanding on his part to show up the league office because he didn't agree with their interpretation of whether it was a balk. Imagine an NCAA ref intentionally ignoring the interpretation guidance on a block/charge call, and telling the players such when he makes a call... this is basically what happened here.

You can be for or against that being a balk. But we can't have umpires going rogue and making different calls just because they disagree with what the league office has decided.
 
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It would be great if these were easier to interpret, but this looks like the rule; and it looks to me like he is either required to come to a complete stop before delivering, which it doesn't seem like he does or if you interpret that he comes to the stop prior to beginning his rocking motion than it would seem like the rocking is a violation of this portion of the rule:

"After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption." Rocking back and forth would seem like an alteration of the natural motion towards the plate.

Based on what I was always taught, I would expect it to be illegal and be called a balk.


Baseball Rules​


Baseball Rule Book | © 1999 MLB | MLB.com Downloadable 2012 Rule Book
Baseball Rule Book: 8.00 The Pitcher

8.01 Legal pitching delivery. There are two legal pitching positions, the Windup Position and the Set Position, and either position may be used at any time. Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber. Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides. Pitchers will not be allowed to disengage the rubber after taking each sign.

(a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot. When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position. The pitcher may have one foot, not the pivot foot, off the rubber and any distance he may desire back of a line which is an extension to the back edge of the pitcher's plate, but not at either side of the pitcher's plate. With his "free" foot the pitcher may take one step backward and one step forward, but under no circumstances, to either side, that is to either the first base or third base side of the pitcher's rubber. If a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in a windup position. From this position he may:

(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or

(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick off a runner, or

(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides). In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first. He may not go into a set or stretch position - if he does it is a balk.

(b) The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of, and in contact with, and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot in front of the pitcher's plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming Set Position, the pitcher may elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as "the stretch." But if he so elects, he shall come to Set Position before delivering the ball to the batter. After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption. Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01 (b) without interruption and in one continuous motion. The whole width of the foot in contact with the rubber must be on the rubber. A pitcher cannot pitch from off the end of the rubber with just the side of his foot touching the rubber. The pitcher, following his stretch, must

(a) hold the ball in both hands in front of his body and

(b) come to a complete stop. This must be enforced. Umpires should watch this closely. Pitchers are constantly attempting to "beat the rule" in their efforts to hold runners on bases and in cases where the pitcher fails to make a complete "stop" called for in the rules, the umpire should immediately call a "Balk."

(c) At any time during the pitcher's preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw. The pitcher shall step "ahead of the throw." A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.

(d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise. A ball which slips out of a pitcher's hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.

(e) If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backward with that foot, he thereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by any other infielder. The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder.
 
To make something complex simple , they tend not to call balks if you do it EVERY TIME
 
The umpire was likely disciplined by the league for it. It's clear he was grandstanding on his part to show up the league office because he didn't agree with their interpretation of whether it was a balk. Imagine an NCAA ref intentionally ignoring the interpretation guidance on a block/charge call, and telling the players such when he makes a call... this is basically what happened here. (See Fair, C.J. vs Duke)
FIFY
 
Speaking of balks. Dude balked a guy around from first to home last night. That’s what we tune in for
 
It would be great if these were easier to interpret, but this looks like the rule; and it looks to me like he is either required to come to a complete stop before delivering, which it doesn't seem like he does or if you interpret that he comes to the stop prior to beginning his rocking motion than it would seem like the rocking is a violation of this portion of the rule:

"After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption." Rocking back and forth would seem like an alteration of the natural motion towards the plate.

Based on what I was always taught, I would expect it to be illegal and be called a balk.


Baseball Rules​


Baseball Rule Book | © 1999 MLB | MLB.com Downloadable 2012 Rule Book
Baseball Rule Book: 8.00 The Pitcher

8.01 Legal pitching delivery. There are two legal pitching positions, the Windup Position and the Set Position, and either position may be used at any time. Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber. Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides. Pitchers will not be allowed to disengage the rubber after taking each sign.

(a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot. When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position. The pitcher may have one foot, not the pivot foot, off the rubber and any distance he may desire back of a line which is an extension to the back edge of the pitcher's plate, but not at either side of the pitcher's plate. With his "free" foot the pitcher may take one step backward and one step forward, but under no circumstances, to either side, that is to either the first base or third base side of the pitcher's rubber. If a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in a windup position. From this position he may:

(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or

(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick off a runner, or

(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides). In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first. He may not go into a set or stretch position - if he does it is a balk.

(b) The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of, and in contact with, and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot in front of the pitcher's plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming Set Position, the pitcher may elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as "the stretch." But if he so elects, he shall come to Set Position before delivering the ball to the batter. After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption. Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01 (b) without interruption and in one continuous motion. The whole width of the foot in contact with the rubber must be on the rubber. A pitcher cannot pitch from off the end of the rubber with just the side of his foot touching the rubber. The pitcher, following his stretch, must

(a) hold the ball in both hands in front of his body and

(b) come to a complete stop. This must be enforced. Umpires should watch this closely. Pitchers are constantly attempting to "beat the rule" in their efforts to hold runners on bases and in cases where the pitcher fails to make a complete "stop" called for in the rules, the umpire should immediately call a "Balk."

(c) At any time during the pitcher's preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw. The pitcher shall step "ahead of the throw." A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.

(d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise. A ball which slips out of a pitcher's hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.

(e) If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backward with that foot, he thereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by any other infielder. The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder.
I think the general premise is if it's not being done to deceive the runner, it's good. Also, as stated elsewhere, it's his natural motion, and likely has been for years.
Also, umps make up their own, personal strike zone, and for years allowed in the neighborhood force outs. Letter of the law is not a thing for MLB umps.
 
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