Why would good big men even consider SU?

[CuseFaninVT]

We have no ability or apparent desire to pass them the ball in situations where they can be effective, like in the post for example. I am growing so tired of our guards looking at a well positioned SU big man on the post and then throwing the ball elsewhere.

Rak would have been a great 4 year player if we had decided to feed him earlier than his 4th year on the squad.

At least when AO and Rick were playing together they would at least feed each other. DC won't even feed Lydon when Lydon has great position and a 8" advantage on the guard trying to defend him.

 

[Brooky03]

We have no ability or apparent desire to pass them the ball in situations where they can be effective, like in the post for example. I am growing so tired of our guards looking at a well positioned SU big man on the post and then throwing the ball elsewhere.

Rak would have been a great 4 year player if we had decided to feed him earlier than his 4th year on the squad.

At least when AO and Rick were playing together they would at least feed each other. DC won't even feed Lydon when Lydon has great position and a 8" advantage on the guard trying to defend him.

I get what you're saying, but the worst place to give Lydon the ball right now is in the post. He has no finishing ability and no post moves, which is evidenced by that crappy right handed scoop shot he tried twice with terrible results instead of shooting a soft hook with his left. I wouldn't pass the ball to Lydon in the post either if I was the PG.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I get what you're saying, but the worst place to give Lydon the ball right now is in the post. He has no finishing ability and no post moves, which is evidenced by that crappy right handed scoop shot he tried twice with terrible results instead of shooting a soft hook with his left. I wouldn't pass the ball to Lydon in the post either if I was the PG.

He has zero confidence. He is not this bad. There is a difference and he is actually the one player we have that CAN dunk.

 

[Cuse'91]

Didn't we send our big men out to Pete Newell camp in the summers? Is he still doing camps, or are there other specialists that could help teach low post moves anymore?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I get what you're saying, but the worst place to give Lydon the ball right now is in the post. He has no finishing ability and no post moves, which is evidenced by that crappy right handed scoop shot he tried twice with terrible results instead of shooting a soft hook with his left. I wouldn't pass the ball to Lydon in the post either if I was the PG.

But that's not what I'm saying. The ball he got was well outside the lane, and he tried driving into the lane and just failed miserably. I really don't want any of our big men taking that kind of shot. DC can't dribble that far, Roby will hurt the backboard with whatever shot he ends up taking, and Tyler will try that awful airball scoop shot thing again. I'm talking about getting the ball on block, with a defender on your hip, and going to work, like actual big men do. I can't recall Tyler getting the ball in that situation this year (and I'll admit I haven't seen all the games) so I'm not sure how anyone can say he doesn't have that in his rep.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Didn't we send our big men out to Pete Newell camp in the summers? Is he still doing camps, or are there other specialists that could help teach low post moves anymore?

He Dead. Literally. Died in 2008.

 

[Cusefan0307]

But that's not what I'm saying. The ball he got was well outside the lane, and he tried driving into the lane and just failed miserably. I really don't want any of our big men taking that kind of shot. DC can't dribble that far, Roby will hurt the backboard with whatever shot he ends up taking, and Tyler will try that awful airball scoop shot thing again. I'm talking about getting the ball on block, with a defender on your hip, and going to work, like actual big men do. I can't recall Tyler getting the ball in that situation this year (and I'll admit I haven't seen all the games) so I'm not sure how anyone can say he doesn't have that in his rep.

He had a couple of post touches against Wisconsin and South Carolina and converted.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He had a couple of post touches against Wisconsin and South Carolina and converted.

There you go. Not sure why we can't try high percentage stuff like that more often. Wish I had remembered those...

 

[Cuse'91]

He Dead. Literally. Died in 2008.

Maybe the post player in basketball is as well...

 

[OttoMets]

But that's not what I'm saying. The ball he got was well outside the lane, and he tried driving into the lane and just failed miserably. I really don't want any of our big men taking that kind of shot. DC can't dribble that far, Roby will hurt the backboard with whatever shot he ends up taking, and Tyler will try that awful airball scoop shot thing again. I'm talking about getting the ball on block, with a defender on your hip, and going to work, like actual big men do. I can't recall Tyler getting the ball in that situation this year (and I'll admit I haven't seen all the games) so I'm not sure how anyone can say he doesn't have that in his rep.

It's bizarre, last year Lydon showed great fundamentals with his little half-hook. Good footwork, very few moving parts. Thought he was nearly automatic. This season he's all over the place. I've got no faith that he'll score at the rim and I fear he doesn't, either.

That said, he's more likely to score at the rim if someone feeds him the ball than he is if he doesn't see the ball, so the guards have to do better. It's a chronic problem at Syracuse - post scoring is the last resort.

 

[grepal]

It's bizarre, last year Lydon showed great fundamentals with his little half-hook. Good footwork, very few moving parts. Thought he was nearly automatic. This season he's all over the place. I've got no faith that he'll score at the rim and I hear he doesn't, either.

That said, he's more likely to score at the rim if someone feeds him the ball than he is if he doesn't see the ball, so the guards have to do better. It's a chronic problem at Syracuse - post scoring is the last resort.

I think the college game is very guard dependent. Now if you have Coleman, Seikelly and Owens down low that's one thing but most teams rely heavily on their guards. Come tourney time you need great guard play to go far. Of course that includes passing to capable big men.

 

[Brooky03]

He has zero confidence. He is not this bad. There is a difference and he is actually the one player we have that CAN dunk.

That's the reason I'm so hard on him right now. He's in a position a lot of players dream of being in, with the talent to deliver, but some kind of mental block preventing him from asserting his will on the court like he's capable of.

 

[longislandcuse]

Just start recruiting tall guys who can shoot. I don't care about rim protectors because then we get Chukwu. Give me a PF and C who can step out and hit a jumper. The PF better be able to hit threes and the C -midrange jumpers.

That's basketball in 2016.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Just start recruiting tall guys who can shoot. I don't care about rim protectors because then we get Chukwu. Give me a PF and C who can step out and hit a jumper. The PF better be able to hit threes and the C -midrange jumpers.

That's basketball in 2016.

My son's team runs that play - it's called 5 wide. Just everyone out around the 3-line. Allows for spectacular cuts when it's working though.

 

[longislandcuse]

My son's team runs that play - it's called 5 wide. Just everyone out around the 3-line. Allows for spectacular cuts when it's working though.

Ask me how jealous I was watching UCLA's big men play actual defense AND bang threes.

Hint: Very

We act like we landed on the moon with Lydon as a stretch 4 when everyone else has been doing that for years.

 

[br801]

DC won't even feed Lydon when Lydon has great position and a 8" advantage on the guard trying to defend him.

I actually didn't have a problem with that. DC was feeling it from mid-range and channeling his inner Carmelo. And Lydon was positioned for the put back if he had missed.

 

[GooseMutt]

We have no ability or apparent desire to pass them the ball in situations where they can be effective, like in the post for example. I am growing so tired of our guards looking at a well positioned SU big man on the post and then throwing the ball elsewhere.

Rak would have been a great 4 year player if we had decided to feed him earlier than his 4th year on the squad.

At least when AO and Rick were playing together they would at least feed each other. DC won't even feed Lydon when Lydon has great position and a 8" advantage on the guard trying to defend him.

I was actually thinking about the affect on PG recruits perception about coming here. They may choose to run from an apparent dysfunctional situation or would they see an obvious need we have and join to save us/ be the hero. I hope we don't eventually become relegated to reduced status of the uconn/ Georgetown programs in the future. Man I miss the Big East

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I actually didn't have a problem with that. DC was feeling it from mid-range and channeling his inner Carmelo. And Lydon was positioned for the put back if he had missed.

Fair point. Glad he made it or we'd all be crucifying him today.

 

[orangefan13]

rakeem christmas averaged 17.5 ppg as a senior two years ago. Furthermore Rak did not have the touch around the basket with his 7 footers as a Jr. He absolutely did not. JB hinted towards it to showcase him as a ready senior, and everyone bought hook line and sinker. He dominated in practice the following year.
no offense but the level of stupidity that comes out when the team loses is just stupid.

The team has lost gbinije and malachi's dribble penetration and the ability to shoot themselves into games when they needed to. Its nothing more then that.

We had good looks all game against wisky and uconn we just missed them. If you think dajuan going one on one with brimah down the stretch was the answer I would chalk it up as a loss immediately.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

rakeem christmas averaged 17.5 ppg as a senior two years ago. Furthermore Rak did not have the touch around the basket with his 7 footers as a Jr. He absolutely did not. JB hinted towards it to showcase him as a ready senior, and everyone bought hook line and sinker. He dominated in practice the following year.
no offense but the level of stupidity that comes out when the team loses is just stupid.

The team has lost gbinije and malachi's dribble penetration and the ability to shoot themselves into games when they needed to. Its nothing more then that.

We had good looks all game against wisky and uconn we just missed them. If you think dajuan going one on one with brimah down the stretch was the answer I would chalk it up as a loss immediately.

There is simply no way to judge Rak in that manner. He was allowed to miss a shot as a senior because we literally had nothing else. But if he missed as a sophomore or junior, he was heading to the pine in an instant. He got Boeheimed until even JB couldn't take it anymore.

 

[tbonezone]

raxmas was a top rated center in his class. as were fab melo and dajuan. we put rax and fab into the NBA. dajuan's a longshot but we'll see. (and by the way the mooseman (namesake of the syracuse award now bestowed) was better defensively than any of them. now why aren't we landing them lately ?

 

[orangefan13]

fair enough of an opinion. imo Rak's hookshot wasn't nearly as dominant as a jr, no where close and he never got excited about it. I felt that way that year and still do. He had one solid offensive game that year. I watched him miss it left and right short rim to strong all year not even straight on. And rak didn't even have a pg as a senior.

Its just the title of the thread that gets me.
Grant fab both were two and done playing offense exclusively out of the midpost and in. Mccullough same thing one and done. You can go back further to Rick and Arinze before that. And christmas got drafted as well That is plenty in 7 years.

None of those guys outside of rak finish through contact, in fairness fab could have he just wasn't a scorer. mccullough and grant didn't put enough strength on, sadly grant had a health issue in the summer that slowed him down.

Lydon has a big issue following through contract. Following through contact has been poor the last two seasons. Arm strength over weight everyone outside of chuckwu. Even getting hacked at full strength you got to finish a layup once in awhile not just throw a hard rock off the backboard. Rak was capable of that.

 

[CuseCPT]

It isn't part of the "Syracuse Way". Even against opponents early in the schedule where we have significant size advantages we are overwhelmingly content to take contested jump shots or drive one on three.

 

[Oráiste]

our assistants are all former guards. we need a true big man coach, even if that means going outside the family to get one.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

our assistants are all former guards. we need a true big man coach, even if that means going outside the family to get one.

We should bring Ewing in. Oh God, can you imagine if Hop made Ewing our next Assistant HC?