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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 1441636, member: 204"] This will be my last post in this thread - because to argue this any further is silly. It is simple math. Fiesta Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Gator Bowl, Music City Bowl, Insight Bowl, Champs Bowl - three 10 win seasons - three to four nine win seasons - multiple BE Championships - over 100 wins. (And that doesn't count the wins and bowls that came after Pasqualoni and DeLeone became assistants) That's it. Those are the facts. That is a great record. Period. As far as your assessment of my loyalty, let me say this. I have known every HC and a number of assistant coaches, school officials and administrators since Ben Schwartzwalder was HC. Your presumptions about my "loyalty" are as fact-based as your presumptions about the Program's facilities, money and talent over the years. You have no facts. And you - especially you - sorry - have epitomized the striking misperceptions that so many fans had during that time. I remember you insisting to me on this board, for the longest time, that our facilities were comparable to those of our competition - that we were right there with Ohio State - and you - sorry again - were not even close to being right about that. I know you love SU Football and I appreciate that. It's great. And I know you only want to see the best for the Program. But you and many, many others, looked at the media guides and the Carrier Dome and just assumed that we had the structural assets necessary to compete against the top tier programs. We were a joke. After Marrone's Pinstripe Bowl win he assured the Athletic Department and the Orange Club that despite the infrastructure efforts made after Dr. Gross became AD, SU Football remained dead last in the new Big East in terms of football infrastructure - dead last in the Big East - not the ACC or the Big Ten - the new Big East. And what we had by that time was "Alabama" compared to what we had when Pasqualoni was HC. Yes, we had McNabb and we had Marvin Harrison and some other very fine players. But we did not have enough of them - we did not have the kind of OL or DL talent or depth that NCs have and we were never close to winning a NC. SU Football never had the kind of overall talent that SU BB has had. And I suspect that the national success of the BB program heightened and has continued to heighten SU FB fan expectations. To the point of being unrealistic. To suggest that a loss to Rutgers or Temple hurt recruiting is again just not accurate Awful AstroTurf in the Dome - poor training/medical facilities - no indoor practice facility - no weight room facility (!!!???) is what hurt recruiting. Fiesta Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Gator Bowl, Music City Bowl, Insight Bowl, Champs Bowl - three 10 win seasons - three to four nine win seasons - multiple BE Championships - over 100 wins. There's nothing more to discuss. The facts are the facts. To argue otherwise is silly. [/QUOTE]

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