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Message: [QUOTE="CaptainJ, post: 858528, member: 1553"] You made my point. The revolutionary war was the [B]only[/B] war that gained us any freedom. And all these undeclared/unconstituonal(illegal) wars preserved [B]what[/B] freedoms specifically? That isn't a rhetorical question, I'm asking for actual answers. In wars we are convinced to believe that we need to give up freedom, though [I]supposedly[/I] temporarily. Some of that includes economic freedom in the form of more taxes. These freedoms often don't return. Witness the patriot act, habeus corpus, and laws we allowed because they were supposed to be used on "them", and their inevitable "us". I don't claim to be a prophet, the same patterns happen over and over for those [I]willing[/I] to see them. Call me names, come at me, but this isn't going to end pretty. Friend, I am with you on the Chinese model of how their culture lasted. There are forces at work trying to take our identity from us, but it has nothing to do with the tiny amount of muslims in this country or whatever point you were trying to make with multiculturalism and has nothing to do with anything I said. Heck, it's likely to gain you more disdain on here than myself. I'm looking out for you man, you're a good guy. It's like in the Matrix, nobody can show you, you need to see it for yourself. If I TELL you, your subconscious will form an immune response to "outside" thought(this was brilliantly illustrated in the movie "Inception", which by the way is rated #14 on IMDB.com's all time list and is something Id recommend to anyone who likes to think). That is probably why the great teachers used parables. We're on the same side here, you just don't see it yet, and it took me awhile to remember that as well. It saddens me but I'm well aware that it is part of the strategy the enemy uses. The main wars are fought [I]inside[/I] of us. Whether a person believes the Bible or not, Jesus (or someone) made that point 2000 years ago, and in the Art of War(attributed to Sun Tzu), many of the details of such were outlined 2500 years ago. The unseen realm are where wars and struggles are won and lost before the they are played out in the physical realm. As many have pointed out, the Roman Empire destroyed itself by stretching itself too thin and [I]bankrupting[/I] itself and allowing itself to be overrun. If anyone wanted to [B]actually[/B] attack us, we'd be ripe for the picking now. Some in the military have stated as much regarding China. We have troops in [B]148 countries[/B] around the world!! We have all these other bases, yet close down bases on [I]our own soil[/I]! I'm all for a strong DEFENSE, but that is NOTHING at all to do with what these ongoing, illegal military actions from numerous Presidents and both parties are about. Viet Nam...we wrote up silly rules of engagement that made NO sense, and then went and handed them to the enemy to help give them a strategy to keep the war going. I thought people were less naive now, but apparently enough still are, even though 70% of Americans have been against these wars for a long time now. Doesnt sound like a government that represents it's people, does it? Seriously, if we wanted to defend ourselves we'd secure our own borders. If there really was a threat, they could have easily gotten us numerous times in the past however many years. Who are you kidding? So go ahead and tell me what freedoms you're seeing preserved, and people from all parties and backgrounds will gladly make you a long list of the shredding of our Constitution by one President after the next. Thinking like that in your post and the lack of vigilance that stems from it is what is causing our republic to collapse. No serious scholar would say that line of thinking is anything close to what the founding fathers espoused. George Washington himself said to avoid alliances, and Monroe was famous for his doctrine. This current crap is a result of the poison that has crept into our nation. Abraham Lincoln said that this nation would never be defeated from an outside enemy, but from the inside. That appears to be quite evident in this present time. Foreigners aren't destroying our Constitution, the leaders we "elect"(if you trust diebold) are the ones who are doing it. You've heard of George Orewell, right? He predicted all of this long ago, right down to the constantly being at war. And the domestic wars like on drugs and poverty, how are those working out? I'm not drunk enough yet, so let me know if you've got anything else. Merry Christmas, by the way. For the love of Pete, I'm not some anti-American commie, man. I'm trying to serve my country(I nearly enlisted) without the glory of a uniform and a (bleep)ing salary, but for the same love you apparently have in your heart for it man. I used to think the same as you, but over a period of time was introduced to a lot of new information I was not aware of before, thanks to the internet and the growing Constitutionalist/rule of law/liberty movement, and it allowed me to reconsider my positions and accept that there were ones that made more sense. I don't just repeat stuff, I try to be humble and learn what my brain will allow me to accept and comprehend, and then I discuss it with others. Trust me(or not), this isn't a lone wolf rant, but these are the positions of a large percentage of the younger demographic who have educated themselves on the law of the land, the US Constitution, which I keep a copy of in my jacket. I don't want to preach, but I'd be happy to pay for one and have it mailed to you, or I am sure you can google it. People of ALL types which you wouldnt expect to get along have joined the Consititutional movement, and that is what the powers that be have always seen as the biggest threat...someone or something that can bring diverse groups together instead of splitting them apart to keep us at odds with each other as they have been doing for ages. We certainly have far more in common than otherwise, and expressing ourselves differently is a birthright given to us by God/nature. The government can't give us any rights, it can only take them away. EDIT: I am not sure what I think about the author of this video or that I agree with everything in it. However, for the most part it seems solid, and even has a bit of comedy from mainstream sources in it. If I recall the first couple of minutes are a bit dry, but then it gets good. It's 13 minutes long, and is called "The story of your enslavement". Yes, we are FAR from free. It shows how slavery has evolved since Egyptian times...and in keeping with this thread, I think it is a [B]blessing [/B]to have something like this available to us. If 13 minutes is too long, i implore ALL of you to click at 9:55 and watch how we are used to control each other. [media=youtube]Xbp6umQT58A[/media] [/QUOTE]

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