1st Class Football Program

[BoomStickO]

My gripe about the state of SU football has everything to do with the amount of money the school is willing to invest in it.

I see a lot of talk on this board about revamping the locker room and practice facilities. Where is the school on this? It would seem to me that if SU seeks to remain relevant, despite the ACC move, it would treat the program like the first rate D-1 Program it should be.

I saw somewhere that SU has fallen to the bottom of the barrel for the amount of money invested into the players and program. High School kids aren't stupid... The school needs to subscribe a mandate for its commitment to the program by stepping up and making it happen. Hell, with all the publicity such investments would make, wouldn't that alone garner more fan interest (let's not even talk about winning games)? How about getting rid of the benches in the dome? How's that for a commitment to football, not to mention basketball?

My point is that the school should show it will repay the fans and athletes of the team by showing a commitment to their experience and treating the program the right way.

It really ticks me off when I see the Clemson's willing to keep or bring in assistants at a salary of $1.3 million. I guess that's what transpired this tirade.

 

[Moontan]

If you need the address where you should send your $, just let me know.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Clemson sells twice as many tickets as SU does. That's why they can pay their assistants twice as much.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

We're a private school. A large one as far as most private schools go, but still a private school. We don't get money from the state to invest in athletics. Besides NY wouldn't give us any money. Look at Buffalo. That's what we'd be if we were public.

 

[Blaster]

think football training facilities are more important than replacing bench seating. Also i dont mind the bench seating and when your at games like the WVU game you really dont even notice. Hence winning fixes everything even the perception of the bench seating. IMO

 

[javadoc]

think football training facilities are more important than replacing bench seating.

Facilities are more important than anything else right now. Better facilities will bring better players, which means more wins, which means more fannies in the seats. Building better seats is not going to attract more fannies in and of itself.

For the record I am fine with the benches. I think we are going to want that capacity in a couple years.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I believe Floyd Little was brought in to help get the funding to expedite the process

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Facilities are atrocious and what is hurting this program with regard to recruiting the most, IMO. We have issues once the kids get here as well,but we are getting killed. I know uconn has better facilities and they aren't killing is on the recruiting front.. But really? Are we having this conversation? They have also beat us like a drum the past 4 or 5 years.

People who bitch about facilities, let me ask you this? Are you donating? I know know, economy, etc etc. Those waiting for gross to find a t Boone Pickens are kidding themselves. Syracuse needs a much better grass roots approach and as I have said 100 times, a donor has a tough time finding a place where they can donate any time of the year with regard to the new practice facility. Thanks to buddah, I am now dialed in but Syracuse needs to do a better job on their end seeking out the low end to mid range donor as well.

At least at the end of my fiscal year, if I have some extra cash I know who to call now. That was a major accomplishment for me

 

[Aweart23]

Clemson sells twice as many tickets as SU does. That's why they can pay their assistants twice as much.

Clemson is also a state school...State $$$$ helps a long long way

 

[SU2NASA]

Another reason why we should be the most corrupt program in college football.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Another reason why we should be the most corrupt program in college football.

Syracuse needs to do something.. Relying on hardwork and meathead mentality wont get us to where we want to be.. We need to raise a bunch of money and cheat. Look at Oregon and Oklahoma st. Money and cheating are the only answers in today's landscape. Gross needs to get it done

 

[OrangeAl]

Syracuse needs to do something.. Relying on hardwork and meathead mentality wont get us to where we want to be.. We need to raise a bunch of money and cheat. Look at Oregon and Oklahoma st. Money and cheating are the only answers in today's landscape. Gross needs to get it done

That's the problem with you, IB. If you feel so strongly, don't wait for somebody else to start the cheating. Go out and do it yourself.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That's the problem with you, IB. If you feel so strongly, don't wait for somebody else to start the cheating. Go out and do it yourself.

I hear you... I need to make more money. We need to cheat for sure

 

[Chip]

Clemson sells twice as many tickets as SU does. That's why they can pay their assistants twice as much.

Multiply by 4 (not 2) when you consider the cost of a ticket.

80,000 tickets sold per game at probably a $50 average.

40,000 tickets sold per game at probably a $25 average (that's being generous with all the $99 season tix).

X 7 home games each.

$28M in ticket revenue vs. $7M in ticket revenue. Hmmm. We make some up on beer sales, sure. But $21M? My group only went to 2 games, so consider about $2M covered.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

IB i love that post. I am starting to agree with you we should offer perkins 150,000 dollars in cash and a house in marrones development and have his mom assistant AD.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

IB i love that post. I am starting to agree with you we should offer perkins 150,000 dollars in cash and a house in marrones development and have his mom assistant AD.

It's a start for sure, if you can't beat em join em...

 

[Millhouse]

i wish there were more transparency about the money. what will they get from the acc contract, what do they make at the dome, what does everything cost, what do other teams spend. will there be enough money from acc tv to make the facilities good enough? i recognize the arms race aspect to this but at some point, your weight room is big enough and you have enough flat screens.

too much of the comparison of facilities comes down to us comparing a picture taken by a bad photographer to really good pictures

 

[IthacaBarrel]

i wish there were more transparency about the money. what will they get from the acc contract, what do they make at the dome, what does everything cost, what do other teams spend. will there be enough money from acc tv to make the facilities good enough? i recognize the arms race aspect to this but at some point, your weight room is big enough and you have enough flat screens.

too much of the comparison of facilities comes down to us comparing a picture taken by a bad photographer to really good pictures

I use to think the same thing until I saw UCONN facilities... I was asking myself and these are UCONN's facilities? What. I also was involved in the initial building process of Oregon's 10 years ago, they were good back then and now it has reached absurd status. I would be happy just to be bottom 75% in the BCS as opposed to essentially bottom of the barrel.

Cheating is the only option and I am fine with that... I am convinced of it. That and Gross pulling 40 mil out of his arse

 

[SWC75]

My gripe about the state of SU football has everything to do with the amount of money the school is willing to invest in it.

I see a lot of talk on this board about revamping the locker room and practice facilities. Where is the school on this? It would seem to me that if SU seeks to remain relevant, despite the ACC move, it would treat the program like the first rate D-1 Program it should be.

I saw somewhere that SU has fallen to the bottom of the barrel for the amount of money invested into the players and program. High School kids aren't stupid... The school needs to subscribe a mandate for its commitment to the program by stepping up and making it happen. Hell, with all the publicity such investments would make, wouldn't that alone garner more fan interest (let's not even talk about winning games)? How about getting rid of the benches in the dome? How's that for a commitment to football, not to mention basketball?

My point is that the school should show it will repay the fans and athletes of the team by showing a commitment to their experience and treating the program the right way.

It really ticks me off when I see the Clemson's willing to keep or bring in assistants at a salary of $1.3 million. I guess that's what transpired this tirade.

We keep upgrading the facilties and they still stink. Didn't Donovan McNabb pay for a locker room upgrade a few short years back?

And what do the fans deserve repayment for? The support we give the program in buying tickets, making noise and staying to the end of the game warrants exactly the program we have.

 

[SU2NASA]

If I ever become Athletic Director, I will make us the most corrupt program in football. Paying players, escorts for recruits, new cars for signees. Forget old-time college football, I'll turn the dome into the hottest club in New York.

I will get results.

And when the NCAA investigation turns up after we win our national championship, I'll stop it for the duration of our probation, I'll vacate the wins (but who the hell cares, everyone knows we won that national title), and then fire up the money train when we're off probation so we're not a "repeat violator".

1980's Miami ain't got on us.

 

[BoomStickO]

We keep upgrading the facilties and they still stink. Didn't Donovan McNabb pay for a locker room upgrade a few short years back?

And what do the fans deserve repayment for? The support we give the program in buying tickets, making noise and staying to the end of the game warrants exactly the program we have.

It's difficult for me because I reside in South Carolina, and it's easy to be critical from afar. However, I see SU's expenditures per athlete, and that it's a BCS D-1 program. Despite heavy rhetoric that the school takes its football program serious, the schools actions or lack of action thereof demonstrates the opposite. An investment in the players, fans and facilities in good faith, with the consolation of extra ACC TV revenue to curtail increased expenditures, could only help.

- The school does not have a modern locker room (although there's an effort to change that)

- The school does not have a modern football practice facility

Those two things do hurt when recruits compare and contrast schools (You don't believe they base their decision solely off how great a guy a coach is and tradition do you?). Point is that facilities matter.

Just an idea: I would think it great if the university attempted a grassroots combined transportation and tailgate package plan from the surrounding communities. By allowing fans to obtain an affordable package with transportation and access to alcohol, I could see more people going just to get out of the house in the winter. Cheap tickets alone doesn't seem to be working.

Perception: The upgrades do appeal to the community in making work available and generating buzz among locals in the media.

Bottom line: Action here is better than none. Throw the program a fr'ck'n bone

 

[SU2NASA]

- The school does not have an appropriate relationship to a local car dealer.

- The school does not have the finest female hosts for recruits.

Fixed.

 

[BoomStickO]

Fixed.

That would be HUGEEE! Pun intended.