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Message: [QUOTE="upperdeck, post: 5070485, member: 474"] the virtual engine does make you wonder how close to real it is in how they took the picture. they use row 3 as a starter. either way they dont look more than 12 inches or so above the concrete? are they in real life? I remember looking thru hockey glass/nets for the first time after many years of nothing and how i dont even notice it any more. the flip side is 75% of the game from the endzone would be from the 20s and out? anything closer and probably standing anyway. [ATTACH type="full" alt="row3end.jpg"]240883[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full" alt="row 3.jpg"]240884[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]