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Message: [QUOTE="bpo57, post: 2466430, member: 1572"] It would be a joke if Ortiz doesn't get in first ballot. His stats are every bit as good as other first ballot HOFers plus he's easily the best postseason performer of his generation and probably the previous generation. Focal point of three WS champions. Why else do you play the game than to win championships? The DH argument is weak. If he were a mediocre first baseman nobody would care and that wouldn't keep him out. Killebrew, McCovey, Stargell, Cepeda, Thomas not exactly known for their defense).The steroid argument is also weak. The guy was tested constantly over the last five years of his career and still put up monster #s right to the end. Many of the obvious abusers fell off badly once they were no longer able to use the PEDs. [/QUOTE]