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Message: [QUOTE="bpo57, post: 2466699, member: 1572"] So he's "eventually" going to get into the HOF because he's "likeable and quotable"? lol c'mon br take off the pinstriped goggles would you please? The scent of PEDs hovered around a lot of players - how do we know Vlad didn't use PEDs? Nothing was ever proven with Ortiz and the fact that he tore it up for several years despite intense testing (he said they'd come to his house unannounced at 7 am to do tests) weakens that line of attack. Oh btw he hit nearly 100 more dingers and drove in close to 300 more runs than Vlad. I get the defense vs. DH argument and that's very meaningful for sure but so is the postseason angle which isn't even comparable. Vlad should have been a first timer as you said above. But so should Ortiz. When you're the main man for three different WS champs that's a big deal. Not many out there you can say that about. [/QUOTE]