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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 2468365, member: 652"] Piazza playing catcher is why he is a surefire HOFer. He didn’t get in first ballot because of steroid cloud hanging over him. Bagwell was more all around than McGwire. He is a HOFer like Frank Thomas, Rafael Palmerio should get in but he is being punished like McGwire. Bagwell is a different generation than Ortiz. Bagwell 90’s and Ortiz 00’s. Ortiz’s postseason numbers make him a more no doubter than Bagwell. When you hit .455 in 14 WS games that is insane. [/QUOTE]