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Message: [QUOTE="st_machine, post: 2553869, member: 6319"] i think most pro days are hand timed. i've researched 40's quite a bit.and for sure all 40's arent created equal. There are FAT (fully automatic times) times which are almost never used cause everyone is slow. there are hand times which are always the fastest.usually for track events they add 0.5 secs to a hand timed race like the 100m to convert it to fat...thats where the .5 second calc comes from. but since 40's are almost never fully laser, its not a safe calc. imho. then there are mixed times which use a hand start and a laser finish , which is what they use at the nike combines. if you look at recruits hudl pages , if its a nike time, its verified and in green with a checkmark...most recruits dont use these times unless they're good.ive seen some profiles where the only thing verified is height and weight lol! i was at one where saquon barkley ran. he ran a 4.61... so 40's arent everything. btw you shud have seen the sad looks on all the "fast" kids there that ran 4.7x's. everyone thinks they're gonna pull a 4.3 i think alot of our guys have run slower than advertised, but i would find it hard to believe our cohort is any different than any other school. its just like making the players a little taller and a little heavier on paper. makes everyone look more impressive. ive never gotten a good handle on what they do at the nfl combine.its pretty hush hush.they come up with 3 times then somehow munge them together and spit out a time.i think its semi automatic, and they cant really change it, so the measurements can be compared over different yrs. they are really only useful if you're comparing apples to apples, a good hand timed 40 is reliable, but some of the times recruits post dont really pass the smell test, but if you look fast, everyone knows ur fast, its hard to question them. probably most useful for wr's and dbacks. i think shuttle times are more reliable, and they are always consistent (hand timed).so you're always comparing apples to apples.and its a more useful measure. btw the team ran laser 40's a few weeks ago, and i heard there were 1/2 dozen 4.4x's in the group. dont know who ran what tho. [/QUOTE]

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