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Message: [QUOTE="JeffCuse, post: 3183989, member: 1151"] I am generally on board with one caveat...im talking about known, proven cheaters. Clemens, Bonds, Manny, Sosa, McGwire...that group is out. I am softer on the "suspected" cheaters, like Piazza (who is in obviously) and Ortiz (who it is rumored failed a test that was never supposed to be public but MLB has never confirmed)...those guys i'm a yes on. Regarding the Clemens, Bonds, Manny group...I also am 100% ok with the veterans committee, down the road, letting them in. Its THEIR Hall. If they decide to let them in someday, Im fine with it. I just think it should be a hard stop in the voting phase. [/QUOTE]