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Message: [QUOTE="upperdeck, post: 3211286, member: 474"] yeah. I am still getting abused for my anti-bonds talk.. but thats ok.. thats why we have a board for discussions like this.. Consider this if Bonds doesnt take the Roids where does he end up with his career. he hit 300 home runs on that 5 yr stretch 2000-2004 and 60 after that.. without them he probably continues his downward trend 42-40-37-34 avg .308 .290 .303 .262 after 49-73-46-45-45 avg .306 .328 .370 . 341. 362 before that explosion at the age of 36 be had 3 40 Hr yrs and some middle 30s and 5 of under 25.. his avg he had one great yr of .336 at the age of 27 which is normally where guys peak a couple .310ish and 7 under .290ish.. he was a nice solid player with a solid career. if he finishes like most players he plays 2-3 more yrs finishes with low 500 HRs and under .300 avg instead after 36 he hits 80% more HRs and raises his avg and it still finishes under .300 [/QUOTE]