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Message: [QUOTE="bpo57, post: 4145472, member: 1572"] I thought Edgar was a great player and should not have had to wait as long as he did. He was pretty much a DH, which is not a big deal to me. Ortiz played nearly 300 games in the field himself. Tough to breeze past the huge difference in RBIs (~500) and HRs (~230) between the two. Not to mention the huge difference in postseason success and championships. MLB says the Mitchell report was inconclusive. There were false positives mixed in with ingredients that were legal and illegal. it's tough to explain how a guy could get tested so frequently for over a decade and still bang out 35-40 dingers in his late 30s. Btw how do we know Martinez didn't use roids? - He played in the height of that era before testing was amped up. [/QUOTE]