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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaMatt, post: 4444245, member: 405"] Well, Bale played a grand total of 370 minutes in 13 games for Los Angeles and only started twice. That's about 1/4 of a game in each appearance. He's not in game shape. He may be in [I]golf[/I] shape, but not football. Likewise Aaron Ramsey has only played about half a game per appearance for Nice, and has only 1 goal and 1 assist in 16 games. Joe Allen hasn't played since Sept 17th and remains injured. If those 3 guys were playing regularly, at their usual level, Wales would have a shot, and might even deserve to be favored. But without those guys, or with those guys and their current limitations, I just don't see Wales being much of a scoring threat, unless we turn it over deep in our own end. That's certainly possible, but the rest of Wales is basically a Championship squad, and in fact many of them are from the lower divisions. [/QUOTE]