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Message: [QUOTE="CanadianSU, post: 4452230, member: 3965"] I think the draw from a neutral perspective was always likely between these two teams. Wales is unbelievably frustrating to play against, stubborn as anything, then bale fires one in out of nothing. Really awful penalty to concede, that can’t happen. Type of opponent that makes many European teams want to pull their hair out after. I do favour wales against England a little better than USA against England based on their play style. But overall, I still think USA has more potential to score so I’d favour them for 2nd in this group. It really comes down to who can beat Iran by the most, one of the things with the World Cup group stage, unlike the Euro is you do get a lot more cupcakes that can determine outcomes. [/QUOTE]