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Message: [QUOTE="djorange1989, post: 4647772, member: 3508"] Most of the predictions I am seeing for 2023 so far have SU in that 8-10 range in the conference and at 7-5/ 6-6. The only outlier is that tool Brad Crawford at the Crystal Ball site who has us at 4-8 (1-7 in the ACC). Mind you, the same Crawford who refused to put us in his bowl projections last year even after we beat UVA to go 4-0(and with Wagner coming, he knew we were going to be 5-0). Will be interesting. The few times we have been picked to be decent going into the season going back to when DM took over (2011, 2013, 2014, 2019 come to mind) we have generally been bad, but not happening this time [/QUOTE]