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Message: [QUOTE="STEVEHOLT, post: 5565803, member: 522"] Not so sure this has anything to do with Marner. They generally were fine without him on the occasion when he wouldnt play in the past. This is generalized attrition of give a crap. Also the speed/ shot power data on Matthews is scary. Hes nowhere near the skater or shooter he was even two years ago. I think he suffered some debilitating injury that will never get better and may even be progressive and degenerative. Of course we are left to speculate since they tell us nothing. Mind you im not referring to his "new" injury from his entanglements with Zadorov. [/QUOTE]