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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 5730257, member: 1969"] Its based on when he "starts his shift", not start of play. So he has certainly been out there for some icings, and then was still on the ice for the face-off. But they don't apply in this scenario. But there has to be about 10-20 face-offs a game (quick estimate) in a defensive end that are not icing related. So say its somewhere between 800-1200 face-offs that would apply this year, Every time Washington has made the choice to not put him on. [/QUOTE]