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Message: [QUOTE="Consigliere, post: 2449195, member: 559"] Hate to bring data into this discussion, but since we joined the ACC (four full seasons) we are fifth in conference wins - would have been fourth if we had beaten Notre Dame. And we've done that battling NCAA sanctions and uncertainty over our head coach's retirement for much of that time. Not quite as dire as it seems. Virginia 56 NC 52 Duke 50 Notre Dame 43 Syr 42 Miami 40 FSU 37 Clemson 34 Pitt 32 NC State 28 G Tech 25 Va Tech 24 Wake 22 BC 10 [/QUOTE]