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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 992317, member: 2585"] Civil discourse means that you can talk about race, politics, basketball - without hating each other. That thread largely was civil and interesting. Sport is in the world - it's not separate from those things. The only the wrong with that discourse - was that people thought it was hijacked and were afraid to talk about hard things. Or incapable of talking about them maturely. Now quick - my take on the football thing: The popularity of football and the growing TV money was out of whack with what they thought the heart of the league was. Didn't change fast enough. Influx and popularity in the first bunch of years was fools gold. Those that voted against Penn St thought it was real. Misjudgment and short sighted thinking is what killed the Big East. I'm glad that our school had the foresight to see it and acted when they did. [/QUOTE]