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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 1258194, member: 204"] Yes, great special teams help you win games and great defense helps you win games too!. Excellent! But, as I mentioned, that Giants team you referenced was, during the regular season, a .500 ball club. So, it would seem that your full season stats support the notion that a team that gains yardage primarily through the air finishes about .500. And I just took a quick look, the Packers, the year they barely won the Super Bowl benefitted from three turnovers by the Steelers (the Pack did not have a TO) and did not really accumulate all that much yardage. So, again, you have made a very good observation that to be good, you have to be good, but the basic point - that running the football effectively is a very good indication that the team will win - remains pretty unassailable. Thanks for your usual interesting banter. [/QUOTE]