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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeFoo, post: 1679235, member: 210"] That's my point... We have had good teams only when we have elite nba talent and our opponents are terrible offensively so they can't beat the zone. Wes and Dion were on our three most talented teams in the recent past. Yes the final four team made it the farthest but that team played great d and got lucky that college hoops sucks. It's no coincidence that our records against teams with talent equal to us and know how to play hoops (i.e. Most of the ACC) aren't that great compared to those teams who just throw the ball up and pray for the rebound and thug it up on d (i.e. Most of the old be) [/QUOTE]