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44 year F4 comparison

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Assembled this information during some unintended downtime. What message am I sending with this data? None. Simply thought it was interesting. It’s a comparison on Final 4 appearances & beyond for the last 44 years. 44? Just a coincidence, 1975 was when I started following Syracuse basketball. I was curious what the metric would show as far as Syracuse standing amongst other top programs. Next four posts will show the top-15 in four categories. Final 4 appearance, title game appearance, championship, and cumulative. Do with the info what you will.

Final 4 appearance
1. UNC 14
2. Duke 13
3. Kentucky 11
4. Kansas 9
5. Michigan St. 8
5. Louisville 8
7. UCLA 7
8. Syracuse 6
8. Michigan 6
10. Florida 5
10. UConn 5
10. Indiana 5
13. Villanova 4
13. Georgetown 4
13. Arkansas 4
13. Arizona 4
13. UNLV 4
 
Title game appearance

1. Duke 10
2. UNC 8
3. Kentucky 7
4. Michigan 6
5. Kansas 5
6. Indiana 4
6. UCLA 4
6. UConn 4
9. Syracuse 3
9. Michigan State 3
9. Florida 3
9. Louisville 3
9. Villanova 3
9. Georgetown 3
15. Arkansas 2
15. Arizona 2
15. Houston 2
15. Butler 2
 
Bradenton said:
Assembled this information during some unintended downtime. What message am I sending with this data? None. Simply thought it was interesting. It’s a comparison on Final 4 appearances & beyond for the last 44 years. 44? Just a coincidence, 1975 was when I started following Syracuse basketball. I was curious what the metric would show as far as Syracuse standing amongst other top programs. Next four posts will show the top-15 in four categories. Final 4 appearance, title game appearance, championship, and cumulative. Do with the info what you will.

Final 4 appearance
1. UNC 14
2. Duke 13
3. Kentucky 11
4. Kansas 9
5. Michigan St. 8
5. Louisville 8
7. UCLA 7
8. Syracuse 6
8. Michigan 6
10. Florida 5
10. UConn 5
10. Indiana 5
13. Villanova 4
13. Georgetown 4
13. Arkansas 4
13. Arizona 4
13. UNLV 4
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1 for 6 if we make a final four is how I see it.
 
Champions
1. UNC 5
1. Duke 5
3. Kentucky 4
3. UConn 4
5. Villanova 3
5. Louisville 3
5. Indiana 3
8. Kansas 2
8. UCLA 2
8. Michigan St. 2
8. Florida 2
12. Syracuse 1
12. Michigan 1
12. Georgetown 1
12. Arkansas 1
12. Arizona 1
12. UNLV 1
12. Maryland 1
12. Marquette 1
12. N.C. State 1
 
This tells me UConn and Villanova finish when they get there.

That is the difference.

The last 19 champions
7- Big East
7- ACC
3-SEC
1-Big XII
1-American
Big Ten drought continues.
 
Cumulative
+ 5 for championship
+ 3 for title game
+ 1 for F4

1. Duke 68
2. UNC 63
3. Kentucky 52
4. UConn 37
5. Kansas 34
6. Indiana 32
6. Louisville 32
8. UCLA 29
8. Michigan 29
10. Villanova 28
11. Michigan St. 27
12. Florida 24
13. Syracuse 20
14. Georgetown 18
15. Arkansas 15
15. Arizona 15
 
I broke down all four categories to find programs that were listed in top-10 in each.

Six teams. Predictable

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
Louisville
UCLA
 
Interesting thought based on data, shows just how very close Syracuse was to making the first group of six. If Hakim Warrick is on the base line in 1987, perhaps there’s one more championship. Suppose AO is not injured in 2010, and there is another title game appearance (not even a win). I realize these are two big ‘ifs’, but it would put Syracuse in the top 10 in all four of my lists.
 
Alsacs said:
This tells me UConn and Villanova finish when they get there.

That is the difference.

The last 19 champions
7- Big East
7- ACC
3-SEC
1-Big XII
1-American
Big Ten drought continues.
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I was just thinking after the game last night that if you had told me after the 2003 championship game that Big East Schools would win 5 out of the next 15 championships, there's no way I would have allocated 3 to UConn and 2 to Villanova.
 
Bradenton said:
Interesting thought based on data, shows just how very close Syracuse was to making the first group of six. If Hakim Warrick is on the base line in 1987, perhaps there’s one more championship. Suppose AO is not injured in 2010, and there is another title game appearance (not even a win). I realize these are two big ‘ifs’, but it would put Syracuse in the top 10 in all four of my lists.
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Meh. Cuts both ways.

We were one Cipolla jumper away from losing to Georgia.

The Game vs Gonzaga came down to the last possession.

If Gmac "only" makes 5 threes we go into OT and who knows.
 
Bradenton said:
Interesting thought based on data, shows just how very close Syracuse was to making the first group of six. If Hakim Warrick is on the base line in 1987, perhaps there’s one more championship. Suppose AO is not injured in 2010, and there is another title game appearance (not even a win). I realize these are two big ‘ifs’, but it would put Syracuse in the top 10 in all four of my lists.
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Do you really think a 4 year old Hakim Warrick would've helped in 87? Not sure about his eligibility at that point either. ;-)
 
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