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How far down would we have to go into the top 25 where you thought SU would have to have a great day to compete and try to win. This year we know we can play with Wake at 10. But ND/Mich at 8-9 would be interesting. If we got any passing game those days we can compete. It just shows how small the margin is from top to bottom and so many top 25 teams are really flawed

Kent/Iowa would love to play them too.
 
upperdeck said:
How far down would we have to go into the top 25 where you thought SU would have to have a great day to compete and try to win. This year we know we can play with Wake at 10. But ND/Mich at 8-9 would be interesting. If we got any passing game those days we can compete. It just shows how small the margin is from top to bottom and so many top 25 teams are really flawed

Kent/Iowa would love to play them too.
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This ain’t you Fathers top 10 Fighting Irish.
 
upperdeck said:
ND has won but they look like what a marginal top 25 would be most years. They have 4 escape type wins much like MSU has.
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One of those escapes was Toledo. Good MAC team but not a team ND should have to escape
 
Rutgers we got boned.
The others were mostly on some very poor decisions and clock mismanagement blunders by Dino. But 8-1 for sure.
 
From what I’ve seen we can play w pretty much anyone in the country.

bama would be a huge challenge but they don’t even scare me like other years.

the portal has really smoothed out things more than I ever thought.
 
elimunelson said:
From what I’ve seen we can play w pretty much anyone in the country.

bama would be a huge challenge but they don’t even scare me like other years.

the portal has really smoothed out things more than I ever thought.
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Bama and Georgia would smoke us. Our offense is to one dimensional to do anything against their D. Anyone else in the country I think we have a shot if we get some bounces.
 
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cali315phan said:
What's crazy is, from what I see with my orange colored glasses, we should have won every game this year. This team is decent clock management and bad ref calls away from being 9-0. Also, should've rolled with Shrader from day 1.
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Agree on clock management but we dont know what the staff was seeing that made them hold off from Shrader. I remember not being impressed with him vs rutgers and I saw some things against Albany that concerned me. He got better after the rutgers game. Thats when they went with him.
 
money3189 said:
Agree on clock management but we dont know what the staff was seeing that made them hold off from Shrader. I remember not being impressed with him vs rutgers and I saw some things against Albany that concerned me. He got better after the rutgers game. Thats when they went with him.
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look at how much the play calling has changed. the highest upside of the offense was the power run with the threat of the passing game.. Coaches knew that and tried to go down that road. Once we saw that it still somewhat limited they pulled the trigger and went to even more RPO stuff but at a cost of a passing game that will sputter at times.

they went for the home run offense and settled for the doubles offense. cant fault them for that.

but when you have limited practice time it still takes awhile to make that change, you need to get the QB up to speed. Its not like Shrader was getting all the snaps and then starting Tommy. You need to work on the stuff #1 was gonna run.. once they flipped that it still takes time to get those plays settled. Now if this is more the offense style we will be using more of with QBs 2/3 going forward that will help them but then they are not getting a ton of snaps either now..

Go back and look at the the plays that succeed how many of them are after contact plays.. You dont practice that way to see how many battles the qb will win so you dont know if it will work until it gets done in game conditions. When you see how Shrader throws 50% of the time its hard to go that route with a running game you dont really know much about until you see it.. I mean half the passes sat that were missed were not even touchable let alone catchable.
 
elimunelson said:
From what I’ve seen we can play w pretty much anyone in the country.

bama would be a huge challenge but they don’t even scare me like other years.

the portal has really smoothed out things more than I ever thought.
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I think it's less the portal and more that extra year for players.

I'm convinced that 5 to play 5 is the way to introduce more parity. And the portal.
 
money3189 said:
Agree on clock management but we dont know what the staff was seeing that made them hold off from Shrader. I remember not being impressed with him vs rutgers and I saw some things against Albany that concerned me. He got better after the rutgers game. Thats when they went with him.
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Part of the problem was they didnt fully adjust the O to account for Shraders skill set. Once that happened he and the team started to take off
 
kcsu said:
Part of the problem was they didnt fully adjust the O to account for Shraders skill set. Once that happened he and the team started to take off
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Its a process. You have to have both guys prepared to play. You need to be able to throw the ball and have continuity with wr's whether dual threat or not. Tommy still had an advantage with that. Staff has experience with dual threat QB's. This is not a revamped offense. A Lot of their zone read concepts have been there all along. They just do more of it with Shrader. They chose to focus more on the run game once they realize it would be the strength and Tommy continued to have the same issues. My issue was why didnt they run more of those concepts against Rutgers? It could have been the difference in that game. It could be legit reasons for it. I dont know
 
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upperdeck said:
look at how much the play calling has changed. the highest upside of the offense was the power run with the threat of the passing game.. Coaches knew that and tried to go down that road. Once we saw that it still somewhat limited they pulled the trigger and went to even more RPO stuff but at a cost of a passing game that will sputter at times.

they went for the home run offense and settled for the doubles offense. cant fault them for that.

but when you have limited practice time it still takes awhile to make that change, you need to get the QB up to speed. Its not like Shrader was getting all the snaps and then starting Tommy. You need to work on the stuff #1 was gonna run.. once they flipped that it still takes time to get those plays settled. Now if this is more the offense style we will be using more of with QBs 2/3 going forward that will help them but then they are not getting a ton of snaps either now..

Go back and look at the the plays that succeed how many of them are after contact plays.. You dont practice that way to see how many battles the qb will win so you dont know if it will work until it gets done in game conditions. When you see how Shrader throws 50% of the time its hard to go that route with a running game you dont really know much about until you see it.. I mean half the passes sat that were missed were not even touchable let alone catchable.
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Nice break down. Thats the way I see it as well.
 
money3189 said:
Nice break down. Thats the way I see it as well.
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every week we have seen more wrinkles.. If we get the QB to just complete more of the simple throws the offense can move the ball as long as it doesnt get behind the chains too often.. he still needs to throw on time more often. Thats a matter of trust, Either that the WR will be open or that the WR and him are on the same page. its more than just throwing against air.. look at our throws into the endzone. Alford has run the wrong routes 2-3 times already. One thing that not being in the huddle does make it harder to know everyone is gonna be in the right spot on the field. Even if we have limited the complex routes they still need to run the 1 route correctly.

Some people wonder why kids are not out there. They still need to see the signals process it and handle the checks at the line.. If you call a go and the plays changes to a slant at the line and the qB throws to air bad things happen. if you have a huddle and a kid is confused he can ask before he exits, cant do that the way we run these now.

same of the oline.. when you are blocking RPO the oline has a much smaller task list. You can see most of our blocking issues on pure passing plays when we get a complex D called.. by running more RPO passes the D has also been limited and that has made life easier for the oline which in many ways is still a pretty you group working together.
 
upperdeck said:
every week we have seen more wrinkles.. If we get the QB to just complete more of the simple throws the offense can move the ball as long as it doesnt get behind the chains too often.. he still needs to throw on time more often. Thats a matter of trust, Either that the WR will be open or that the WR and him are on the same page. its more than just throwing against air.. look at our throws into the endzone. Alford has run the wrong routes 2-3 times already. One thing that not being in the huddle does make it harder to know everyone is gonna be in the right spot on the field. Even if we have limited the complex routes they still need to run the 1 route correctly.

Some people wonder why kids are not out there. They still need to see the signals process it and handle the checks at the line.. If you call a go and the plays changes to a slant at the line and the qB throws to air bad things happen. if you have a huddle and a kid is confused he can ask before he exits, cant do that the way we run these now.

same of the oline.. when you are blocking RPO the oline has a much smaller task list. You can see most of our blocking issues on pure passing plays when we get a complex D called.. by running more RPO passes the D has also been limited and that has made life easier for the oline which in many ways is still a pretty you group working together.
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All good points that some people dont keep in mind
 
Bama, UGA and tOSU would ride us like a rented mule and leave the money on the dresser.

We might hang with Cincy for a half but cannot out score them. OU might get locked up by our D just enough to make it interesting.

ND, Baylor, Texas, PSU, Michigan & State, Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida, UK...I’d like to test our mettle against them.
 
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rhcuse said:
Bama, UGA and tOSU would ride us like a rented mule and leave the money on the dresser.

We might hang with Cincy for a half but cannot out score them. OU might get locked up by our D just enough to make it interesting.

ND, Baylor, Texas, PSU, Michigan & State, Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida, UK...I’d like to test our metal against them.
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cinci-tulane 31-12 and trailed for good chunk 340 yds of offense
cinci-navy 27-20 very lucky to beat some really dumn navy coaching helped them a ton 250 yds of offense
cinci-nd 24-13 an avg ND team 370 yds of offense.

cinci has gotten pts without really moving the ball in some way..

Indy 330 yds 38 pts
murray st 390 and 42

they had good games vs Temple/Miami/UCF

But really they are a pretty avg team this year who has won without really doing much on offense.. great yr for them to be an avg team with so many bigs struggling.. I would love to play them
 
kcsu said:
Rutgers we got boned.
The others were mostly on some very poor decisions and clock mismanagement blunders by Dino. But 8-1 for sure.
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FSU we got boned too. I wasn't able to watch Rutgers, so I'm not sure which was worse.
 
gmoney44 said:
Bama and Georgia would smoke us. Our offense is to one dimensional level to do anything against their D. Anyone else in the country I think we have a shot if we get some bounces.
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Yeah, if you have watched GA at all you know that SU would be lucky to get a single TD against that D. It would not be pretty.
 
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