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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 4476331, member: 289"] They were certainly comparable with the bat, with McGriff being a little better in the averages. I suppose playing more games is a virtue in itself but does 'push up' Murray's stats. Being a better glove should matter but how often does that get into the Hall of Fame? Whether Murray was the better player isn't even quite the point. Should McGriff have had to wait as long as he did? Do you doubt that if he'd gotten to 500 that he would have been in a long time ago? [/QUOTE]