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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 2032803, member: 1969"] Just looking at the bubble teams from last year and the P-12 at large teams and what they accomplished on the road, as this could be a wart for us. The reason I bring up the Pac-12 teams is because they had depth in the top 60 last year as well, but not the elite. [B] Regarding our discussion of needing quality road wins -- look at Oregon St below who built there entire resume beating P-12 teams at home in conference. For that reason I remember thinking they should be on the bubble, but they were not even really considered.[/B] The only slight issue with the RPI's below are that they moved slightly as they are post tourney numbers from the site I am getting them from. But given that most of these teams were one and out they did not move much) [B]Tulsa[/B] (RPI around 70) - 6 road wins. [B]1 good road win (#14 SMU). [/B] Beyond that they had 4 top 50 wins (but other than that SMU win only 1 against a top 8 seed), 3 bad losses, and were the major surprise to get in. [B]Vanderbilt [/B](RPI around 70) - 3 road wins, [B](best road win at Florida, RPI #45 but an NIT Team).[/B] They also had 2 neutral wins against sub 150 teams. They had 4 top 50 wins (2 at home against Top 25 teams, and beat Florida twice an NIT Team). They also had 3 bad losses. It stuns me how Lunardi thought this was a reasonable selection but not us. And now a few of the Fake 12 teams from last year. This is the impact of a conference with good RPI mates. USC (RPI Around 60) - 8 seed, with [B]3 road wins but none of quality (best one was #99 RPI), 2 neutral wins (1 quality vs an 11 seed in Wichita St). [/B] They had 5 top 50 wins (all at home except for a win over an 11 seed on a neutral court). They only had one bad loss. But this was a #8 seed. [B] Oregon (RPI Around 50). 18-12 record, a 7 seed!! They won 4 road games, and 1 neutral game. None of the wins were of any quality (highest was #87 RPI Stanford). Their entire resume was beating Oregon, Utah, Cal, Colorado, and USC at home. (That is 2 top 25 wins, 2 other top 50 wins, and one win against a sub 50 tourney team in USC). They also had 2 sub 100 RPI losses, although nothing as bad as St. John's or BC. [/B] Pac 12 teams last year proved you could largely build a resume at home if your conference is numerically good enough,. [/QUOTE]

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