99th in passer rating as a team

[Millhouse]

what we lack in efficiency, we make up in volume?

13th in the country in passing yards and 99th in rating. that must be unprecedented

our rushing average per attempt is ranked better than our passing yards per attempt

i know a lot of that is because of dungey (take the good with the bad) . i'm not anxious to move on from dungey but yeah actually I am anxious to move on

throwing the ball a lot is good for your offense even when you are not very good at throwing the ball

 

[cusefan88]

It will be interesting if we find ourselves in this spot next season watching DeVito start a game. Presumably we see the offense as it's intended, with a pure pocket passer.

 

[orangeinohio]

what we lack in efficiency, we make up in volume?

13th in the country in passing yards and 99th in rating. that must be unprecedented

our rushing average per attempt is ranked better than our passing yards per attempt

i know a lot of that is because of dungey (take the good with the bad) . i'm not anxious to move on from dungey but yeah actually I am anxious to move on

throwing the ball a lot is good for your offense even when you are not very good at throwing the ball

How does that #99 ranking get calculated?
I'm not saying Dungey is elite but #99 puts him at the lower half of college QBs.
When you see the stats below, it's confusing. (I'm assuming Mahoney's appearances haven't made a significant impact on that rating.)

 

[Millhouse]

How does that #99 ranking get calculated?
I'm not saying Dungey is elite but #99 puts him at the lower half of college QBs.
When you see the stats below, it's confusing. (I'm assuming Mahoney's appearances haven't made a significant impact on that rating.)

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99th includes every SU qb. Dungey is 80th in rating, 80th in yards per attempt and 14 td in 377 attempts is not good

52nd in passing td while 11th in attempts

espn puts him as the 30th best qb in the country by QBR which takes running into account.

 

[RandomGuy]

I, for one, believe that Eric Dungey was born with legs... Accordingly, I prefer the QBR rating. 30th.

I do understand the frustration with passing efficiency (Ed #79). We'd all like that higher, but I think oline, hurrys etc, may be a contributing factor.

Instead of looking for negative #'s, one can also look for positive. 3qbs with 9 games, have thrown for more yards. If we were to assign Mahoney's 384 yds to Dungey, he'd be ranked #14 in total yards.

Stats to prove both arguments, but I find them to represent the positive FAR more- even if some show room for improvement.

 

[Millhouse]

I, for one, believe that Eric Dungey was born with legs... Accordingly, I prefer the QBR rating. 30th.

I do understand the frustration with passing efficiency (Ed #79). We'd all like that higher, but I think oline, hurrys etc, may be a contributing factor.

Instead of looking for negative #'s, one can also look for positive. 3qbs with 9 games, have thrown for more yards. If we were to assign Mahoney's 384 yds to Dungey, he'd be ranked #14 in total yards.

Stats to prove both arguments, but I find them to represent the positive FAR more- even if some show room for improvement.

we throw a lot so we throw for a lot of yards, hard not to

we're 3rd in attempts and 13th in yards

(oklahoma and mayfield are unreal by the way 388 yards on 32 attempts per game)

 

[upperdeck]

too bad there isnt a what if site for QBR or is there?. for our volume we should probably have 7-10 more TDs. Even Sat poor throws cost us 3-4. Coach even mentioned the 3 in one series.. It does make you appreciate what accurate QBs can do.. Brady last not completed passes to guys who had a window of about 4 inches and we missed windows of 4 yards.. so many completed passes we lose yards just because they are high or low and not in stride, then we drop several every game too. Phillips some tough drops but still elite guys need to catch most if them. For a team that throws so many balls in practice we need to be down to 1-2 a game of routine catches and make a few more of the tough ones.

 

[RandomGuy]

Can't disagree with efficiency rating being a problem. If that was higher, i'd expect a few more wins. However.

Tempo can try to cover areas of weakness, and that's what I see. Games we can't have a balanced run attack, or Dungey running for his life. I'll chalk the efficiency rating to the offensive talent, as a whole - using tempo to compensate.

To your larger point, of ready to move on from Dungey... I don't think Mahoney improves it, and under no circumstances do I want TD's shirt burned.

Next year, offensive talent should be improved, and I expect that efficiency rating to follow. If you're ready for td then? That's a different conversation, for an improved group of guys.

 

[OrangeDW]

Hoping our OL will be good enough next year so that Pierce won’t have to block as much and we can use him more. Guy is a weapon and I feel like his production could explode next year if we’re able to better feature him in the passing game.

 

[TheCusian]

I see the difference between the two as pure, golden potential. Need to cash in.

 

[skurey]

Gotta think Dungey running in TDs lowers the rating a bit.

 

[Millhouse]

Gotta think Dungey running in TDs lowers the rating a bit.

Yes and there is also the treatment is easy for yard chunks on screens. They're easy runs essentially but they don't do much for rating because of the low yards per attempt.

We don't need to be at the top because of that but 99th is 99th

 

[nzm136]

Can't disagree with efficiency rating being a problem. If that was higher, i'd expect a few more wins. However.

Tempo can try to cover areas of weakness, and that's what I see. Games we can't have a balanced run attack, or Dungey running for his life. I'll chalk the efficiency rating to the offensive talent, as a whole - using tempo to compensate.

To your larger point, of ready to move on from Dungey... I don't think Mahoney improves it, and under no circumstances do I want TD's shirt burned.

Next year, offensive talent should be improved, and I expect that efficiency rating to follow. If you're ready for td then? That's a different conversation, for an improved group of guys.

Tempo is a lever that exacerbates efficiency - for better or worse. In our case, it's for worse.

 

[Millhouse]

Gotta think Dungey running in TDs lowers the rating a bit.

if you calculate his passer rating with rushing TDs treated as passing tds, still only gets him to 130

if you give him all his rushing yards as passing yards with no more attempts or completions (which is nutty), that gets him to 144

 

[Chip]

if you calculate his passer rating with rushing TDs treated as passing tds, still only gets him to 130

if you give him all his rushing yards as passing yards with no more attempts or completions (which is nutty), that gets him to 144

What if you include the video from his high school stats project.

 

[Millhouse]

What if you include the video from his high school stats project.

Turn your head sideways, please, if it's not too stressful on your neck muscles


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[TheCusian]

Tempo is a lever that exacerbates efficiency - for better or worse. In our case, it's for worse.

That's not remotely true. If we ran the same offense as we do now at a slower tempo - we'd be getting killed in these games like the Shafer days.

Tempo gives us more chances to score. The more efficient we get the more we convert yards and possessions into points.

 

[nzm136]

That's not remotely true. If we ran the same offense as we do now at a slower tempo - we'd be getting killed in these games like the Shafer days.

Tempo gives us more chances to score. The more efficient we get the more we convert yards and possessions into points.

Your "more chances to score" theory is dumb because it ignores the fact that the other team gets the ball back virtually every time we score (except for the small percentage of points that come at the end of a half or are followed by a successful onside kick). Therefore, if we score X (on average) every time that we get the ball, and the other team scores X+Y every time that they get the ball, then increasing "our chances to score" will increase their lead (or deficit) by Y by each "chance."

So no, unless tempo impacts efficiency (which is a separate conversation entirely), then it acts as a lever, not a cover. And that isn't opinion. It's math.

 

[upperdeck]

tempo + more plays > tempo + 3 and outs > slow pace + 3 and outs

 

[nzm136]

tempo + more plays > tempo + 3 and outs > slow pace + 3 and outs

Tempo + more plays > slow pace + 3-0's > tempo + 3-0's

Any team w/ an offense that consistently gets 3-0's can reasonably expect to lose big on a regular basis. Teams that eat more clock can just expect to lose by slightly less (the other team will get fewer chances to score, and the defense will be slightly more rested and therefore better).

Tempo does, however, in and of itself create chances for highlights, which are good for recruits/recruiting.

FWIW, I think that our starters are good enough to beat anyone (or at least have a puncher's shot), but there's more of a drop off between our starters and backups than our competition. I think that difference is part of why we're getting punished in November. Fortunately, though, I do think that this year's recruiting class is deeper than past ones, which will eventually increase our depth.