A big problem everywhere, but I'm glad

[orange79]

we did not show up as a logo on this story on the front page of cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Lots of SEC and B1G in there. Oh, and look - our old friends Rutgers and Maryland.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Yup, all these young D1 athletes better stay healthy bc they aren't earning a dime for their efforts and aren't forced to value an education. I don't want to start a new thread on whether or not student athletes should be paid but we all know this exists ... I think students athletes shouldn't be accepted to colleges if they can't cut the academics or just give up and pay them. Or both.

 

[retro44]

-- Some athletes don't aim for high scores when taking entrance exams, looking only to score high enough to become NCAA eligible.

That's a very stupid thing to say.

But Emmert needs to go as it has become quite clear he cares of nothing when it comes to academics and their scandals. Syracuse should yank his PH.D just for the hell of it. Former president of Washington University and Chancellor at LSU.

Might as well name Trooper Taylor president of the NCAA and let the fans in on the scam.

 

[retro44]

There is a reason why Rutgers/schiano never posted what a player's major is.

 

[Cusefan95]

Yup, all these young D1 athletes better stay healthy bc they aren't earning a dime for their efforts and aren't forced to value an education. I don't want to start a new thread on whether or not student athletes should be paid but we all know this exists ... I think students athletes shouldn't be accepted to colleges if they can't cut the academics or just give up and pay them. Or both.

Honestly, there's no chance in hell universities aren't going to have these illiterates running around on the field so the school can make money off their athletic abilities - the only fair thing left to do is just admit this is a business and start paying them. Since that's the moral thing to do, I'm 100% certain it won't happen.

 

[Full_Rebar]

If you look, none of the private schools are included, because of the access to records. It's interesting to see how some of the public institutions refused to respond to the request-not sure how far CNN will push this, but for one school to claim they don't keep test scores of incoming students is hilarious.

 

[CusefanATL]

we did not show up as a logo on this story on the front page of cnn.com
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Lots of SEC and B1G in there. Oh, and look - our old friends Rutgers and Maryland.

doesnt hurt that we are a private school...

 

[LongShanks44]

 

[Marsh01]

we did not show up as a logo on this story on the front page of cnn.com
View attachment 6560
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Lots of SEC and B1G in there. Oh, and look - our old friends Rutgers and Maryland.

Saw this on CNN and the first thing I did was look for our logo

 

[All4SU]

Honestly, there's no chance in hell universities aren't going to have these illiterates running around on the field so the school can make money off their athletic abilities - the only fair thing left to do is just admit this is a business and start paying them. Since that's the moral thing to do, I'm 100% certain it won't happen.

That's not the moral thing to do. That's 180 degrees opposite of the moral thing to do.

 

[PhatOrange]

what can be done about it though? frankly colleges should be able to admit anybody they darn well please and when enrollments go down because of costs they will start to lower admission standards in general.

I'd like to see the people doing the criticizing (or reporting) to move on over to Seymour Street and start sending their kids to Fowler. We'll see how well prepared they are for college.

 

[All4SU]

what can be done about it though? frankly colleges should be able to admit anybody they darn well please and when enrollments go down because of costs they will start to lower admission standards in general.

I'd like to see the people doing the criticizing (or reporting) to move on over to Seymour Street and start sending their kids to Fowler. We'll see how well prepared they are for college.

You're right of course. I have LOTS of thoughts on the subject, largely developed from debating here not his board. My opinions may be wrong. But I don't think so. I'm not going to rehash here. But I will say that one thing heat needs to happen is for people to admit that schools (elementary and high school) can only do so much. This is not an educational problem. This is a societal problem. It's okay to have high expectations for schools. But let's really take a hard look at the social and economic factors, and be honest with ourselves. There are a lot of things than can and would be said that would be difficult for people to hear and accept. But it's like an addict. The first step is admitting to yourself that you have a problem.

 

[upperdeck]

what kind of scores do kids get who read at at an 8th grade level get on the Act/Sat? the bigger issue is how to they all get thru high school? what is the difference in reading skills between 8th and 12th grade level? by eight grade you can read pretty much anything you want, not being able to read wisconsin is like 2nd grade level..

 

[Cusefan95]

That's not the moral thing to do. That's 180 degrees opposite of the moral thing to do.

It's the only moral thing even remotely left, once you're willing to accept that there's is no way in hell that colleges aren't going to take advantage of the athletic talents of kids that have no business in a college classroom.

However, there are far far too many people that want to believe that all the kids that are playing have the capacity to be in college, and it's their fault if they don't take advantage of that opportunity. Which is incredibly dilusional, and in the end evil - it allows colleges to exploit kids while pretending amateurism is some noble cause.

 

[All4SU]

It's the only moral thing even remotely left, once you're willing to accept that there's is no way in hell that colleges aren't going to take advantage of the athletic talents of kids that have no business in a college classroom.

However, there are far far too many people that want to believe that all the kids that are playing have the capacity to be in college, and it's their fault if they don't take advantage of that opportunity. Which is incredibly dilusional, and in the end evil - it allows colleges to exploit kids while pretending amateurism is some noble cause.

I know what you're saying. But I have to respectfully disagree. If you want to fix a problem, you don't just create another problem. We have to fix the problem at an earlier stage, and accept that there will be changes. Example: people want to fix this problem, but don't want to give up the notion of big time college football being the step before professional football. We need to back the whole system down. Now if you want to take the position that the problem is too big, and we are incapable of changing it, that's one argument. Still, it's one I refuse to accept.

ps - I love college football. But we are doing a terrible injustice to these kids and future kids by fostering the current system, and even expanding it with pay for play. We need to do the right thing. Which is educate kids. If college football suffers for it, so be it. I can accept that.