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Message: [QUOTE="Oakland, post: 235856, member: 590"] According to my calculations, Ben took UCLA to 3 out 9 FFs, Roy has been to the FF 8 out of 24. Both 33%. And UNC clearly has had more talent than UCLA the last 9 yrs: heck, Ben gladly just picked up Roy's rejects - the Wear twins. Roy's second NC team had the #1 PG/SG/SF from their class, Tyler Hans..., and several other Micky Dees - maybe the most stacked team in the last 20 yrs, and they escaped with a close win against Villanova with the help of a traveling violation that is usually not called. I think Ben is a significantly better coach, but he has not managed personnel issues well at UCLA. Roy is very good at managing his programs. However, before I put consider him a great coach, I want to see him average 25 wins in a non-BCS league. Back to the OP, I think Roy gets too much credit. Would be interesting to see how many of Roy's 4* star bigs (if there are any) made it to the NBA and compare that to other coaches. [/QUOTE]