A reminder with all the doom and gloom and

[GoSU96]

it can't happen here blah, blah, blah.

Since 2009 the defense has been ranked 37th, 7th, 64th, 48th, 35th, and currently 38th.

As rough as things have been on offense, 2012 the offense did end up ranked 17th.

In 2012 the team had the 16th best combined total offense and defensive rank , 64, which really should have been a double digit win season based on that, so the notion that "it can't be done" is just not true. And that is with less talent 1-85 than this team has.

Over 2012 and 2013 51 teams finished with a combined ranking of 80 or better, 32 finished with 10 or more wins, another 5 with 9, 11 with 8, and 3 with 7. Nobody did worse than that.

 

[Nick44]

Which is why if I am Shafer, I do whatever I can to fund/recruit a successful OC in the offseason and give him full control of the offense.

 

[supp]

it can't happen here blah, blah, blah.

Since 2009 the defense has been ranked 37th, 7th, 64th, 48th, 35th, and currently 38th.

As rough as things have been on offense, 2012 the offense did end up ranked 17th.

In 2012 the team had the 16th best combined total offense and defensive rank , 64, which really should have been a double digit win season based on that, so the notion that "it can't be done" is just not true. And that is with less talent 1-85 than this team has.

Over 2012 and 2013 51 teams finished with a combined ranking of 80 or better, 32 finished with 10 or more wins, another 5 with 9, 11 with 8, and 3 with 7. Nobody did worse than that.

No doubt. Better coaching and capable QBing and we're right back in the mix.

 

[Millhouse]

it can't happen here blah, blah, blah.

Since 2009 the defense has been ranked 37th, 7th, 64th, 48th, 35th, and currently 38th.

As rough as things have been on offense, 2012 the offense did end up ranked 17th.

In 2012 the team had the 16th best combined total offense and defensive rank , 64, which really should have been a double digit win season based on that, so the notion that "it can't be done" is just not true. And that is with less talent 1-85 than this team has.

Over 2012 and 2013 51 teams finished with a combined ranking of 80 or better, 32 finished with 10 or more wins, another 5 with 9, 11 with 8, and 3 with 7. Nobody did worse than that.

Shafer is a good defensive coach. I think they're too worried about recruiting. I know that sounds strange to say. But i'd rather see them pick a good offense and a coach who really knows how to run it. If that guy is too young or too mid major or too FCS, so what?

There is no shortage of guys who'd love to run their offense in the dome.

All they need to do is be average in the games where the d is stifling and they'd have another win each year. i think being smarter about punting might give them another win every other year. It's not like they're that horrible. a win here a win there gets us over the hump to more respectability. then hopefully they luck into a star qb and have a shot at something special.

I just worry that Shafer doesn't know what he wants on offense. Ask around, use the SU network, and hand over the keys

 

[RF2044]

Shafer is a good defensive coach. I think they're too worried about recruiting. I know that sounds strange to say. But i'd rather see them pick a good offense and a coach who really knows how to run it. If that guy is too young or too mid major or too FCS, so what?

There is no shortage of guys who'd love to run their offense in the dome.

All they need to do is be average in the games where the d is stifling and they'd have another win each year. i think being smarter about punting might give them another win every other year. It's not like they're that horrible. a win here a win there gets us over the hump to more respectability. then hopefully they luck into a star qb and have a shot at something special.

I just worry that Shafer doesn't know what he wants on offense. Ask around, use the SU network, and hand over the keys

Which is strange, because despite his coaching focus, he's a former QB.

 

[qdawgg]

Which is strange, because despite his coaching focus, he's a former QB.

It is strange. I wonder if it's a mix of not necessarily caring what the offense does as long as it works. I'm not implying he doesn't care but I could see him, having been a coordinator for so long, thinking - I'm going to hire a guy that I think can get the job done and I'm going to let them do what they need to do. Which is very different obviously than having an idea of what you want to run and then finding someone that is capable of doing it. Maybe he doesn't care that much what we run. Lester, theoretically could be disciplined in any possible offensive system and Shafer would be ok with that. I believe.

 

[GoSU96]

Shafer is a good defensive coach. I think they're too worried about recruiting. I know that sounds strange to say. But i'd rather see them pick a good offense and a coach who really knows how to run it. If that guy is too young or too mid major or too FCS, so what?

There is no shortage of guys who'd love to run their offense in the dome.

All they need to do is be average in the games where the d is stifling and they'd have another win each year. i think being smarter about punting might give them another win every other year. It's not like they're that horrible. a win here a win there gets us over the hump to more respectability. then hopefully they luck into a star qb and have a shot at something special.

I just worry that Shafer doesn't know what he wants on offense. Ask around, use the SU network, and hand over the keys

They have regressed so far from what should have been expected.

Are Nassib, Pugh, Lemon, and Sales really the difference between the 17th and 93rd ranked offense?

 

[qdawgg]

Shafer is a good defensive coach. I think they're too worried about recruiting. I know that sounds strange to say. But i'd rather see them pick a good offense and a coach who really knows how to run it. If that guy is too young or too mid major or too FCS, so what?

There is no shortage of guys who'd love to run their offense in the dome.

All they need to do is be average in the games where the d is stifling and they'd have another win each year. i think being smarter about punting might give them another win every other year. It's not like they're that horrible. a win here a win there gets us over the hump to more respectability. then hopefully they luck into a star qb and have a shot at something special.

Agree with this completely. It does sound strange to say, they are worried too much about recruiting but there is a lot of truth in that. The idea, "when we get the right guys, faster guys, guys more ready to play", that is down the road thinking and not focused on what can we do today with the guys we have.

In addition to that, we have everything we need to have at least a moderately successful offense. We started the season with a hell of an offensive line, there are a ton of teams doing more with a worse o-line than we have. I think the NCstate game was more scheme and being unprepared than it was huge disparity in talent on the line.
- We have some good WR's, there are teams with better offenses with less playmakers and slower players than we have
- We have a ton of RB's to pick from and scheme for and create mismatches with. Again, there are a lot of teams outperforming our offense with less

We have the players I believe. Something just isn't working, it seems to be coaching or system but I honestly don't know what is to blame for the incredible lack of scoring ability.

 

[Millhouse]

They have regressed so far from what should have been expected.

Are Nassib, Pugh, Lemon, and Sales really the difference between the 17th and 93rd ranked offense?

agree. and there are plenty of teams with more disadvantages and talent gaps higher than 93. those teams get injuries too, there ain't 92 bamas out there

 

[qdawgg]

They have regressed so far from what should have been expected.

Are Nassib, Pugh, Lemon, and Sales really the difference between the 17th and 93rd ranked offense?

I don't think so. I think the WR's we overall are more talented than what we had last year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think West is almost as good as Lemon was. I think Lewis is a very good WR that will get better despite the drops and Ish could be an outstanding player but is still making great plays when he has the chance. Our o-line is solid minus recent injuries. QB play is not what it was with Nassib but that's experience not talent, I believe. But there are a lot of teams that don't have the experience of a Nassib performing at at least average levels.

Something just isn't adding up to me, I don't think we are a bad team at all. The more I think about it the more frustrated I get. I like our team, they should be performing at a higher level IMO

 

[rrlbees]

Are Nassib, Pugh, Lemon, and Sales really the difference between the 17th and 93rd ranked offense?

Yes.

Thank you GRob.

 

[qdawgg]

I think Shafer has a lot to think about. I want him to be the coach and I want him to be successful. He's good for the program IMO. I'm sure this season is eating him up and honestly I feel bad for him because you can tell he wants the players to be successful. It will be interesting to see what changes happen by the start of next season.

 

[Millhouse]

who's out there in the addazzio mullen coaching tree?

billy gonzales, thanks google. who else? john hevesy

i don't want to be limited to that but there are plenty of guys out there who've learned the urban meyer spread option. enough power in there for meathead mollification

i can't believe how stupid florida is. that AD just has to indulge his inner meathead when his amazing offensive coaches leave

 

[ImperialOrange]

I don't think so. I think the WR's we overall are more talented than what we had last year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think West is almost as good as Lemon was. I think Lewis is a very good WR that will get better despite the drops and Ish could be an outstanding player but is still making great plays when he has the chance. Our o-line is solid minus recent injuries. QB play is not what it was with Nassib but that's experience not talent, I believe. But there are a lot of teams that don't have the experience of a Nassib performing at at least average levels.

Something just isn't adding up to me, I don't think we are a bad team at all. The more I think about it the more frustrated I get. I like our team, they should be performing at a higher level IMO

To me, it all comes down to lack of discipline. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed assignments, wrong routes, etc. We aren't the most physically gifted team but we're far from the worst. On offense specifically we lack an identity. We aren't going to be a big play offense at this point so we really need the guys to be focused on doing what they do well. Too many times guys look lost and/or make mistakes which is lack of discipline. Something in the coaching philosophy has to change to rectify that but it's been an issue for over a decade regardless of who's wearing the headsets on the sideline.

 

[qdawgg]

To me, it all comes down to lack of discipline. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed assignments, wrong routes, etc. We aren't the most physically gifted team but we're far from the worst. On offense specifically we lack an identity. We aren't going to be a big play offense at this point so we really need the guys to be focused on doing what they do well. Too many times guys look lost and/or make mistakes which is lack of discipline. Something in the coaching philosophy has to change to rectify that but it's been an issue for over a decade regardless of who's wearing the headsets on the sideline.

One issue with not being a big play team is that team discipline is even more crucial if you have to nickel and dime your way down the field just to get into the redzone.

 

[Millhouse]

To me, it all comes down to lack of discipline. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed assignments, wrong routes, etc. We aren't the most physically gifted team but we're far from the worst. On offense specifically we lack an identity. We aren't going to be a big play offense at this point so we really need the guys to be focused on doing what they do well. Too many times guys look lost and/or make mistakes which is lack of discipline. Something in the coaching philosophy has to change to rectify that but it's been an issue for over a decade regardless of who's wearing the headsets on the sideline.

against p5 schools, we're 25th in 30+ yard plays

and yes i did cherry pick that, we're not as good in 40+ and 50+

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/offense/split24/category30/sort03.html

 

[GoSU96]

who's out there in the addazzio mullen coaching tree?

billy gonzales, thanks google. who else? john hevesy

i don't want to be limited to that but there are plenty of guys out there who've learned the urban meyer spread option. enough power in there for meathead mollification

i can't believe how stupid florida is. that AD just has to indulge his inner meathead when his amazing offensive coaches leave

Isn't that the Deleone/Rogers coaching tree?

BC is running a bunch of old SU looking stuff with Murphy.

 

[GoSU96]

One issue with not being a big play team is that team discipline is even more crucial if you have to nickel and dime your way down the field just to get into the redzone.

Lack of chunk plays isn't really the issue. It was much worse the first three years Marrone was here.

The issue is efficiency, they have fallen off the table on 3rd down, passing efficiency, and redzone. Yardage at a macro level, at least until Clemson, wasn't any issue.

 

[Millhouse]

Isn't that the Deleone/Rogers coaching tree?

BC is running a bunch of old SU looking stuff with Murphy.

i'm sure that's what they lead off with in job interviews

yeah yeah tebow shmebow, enough about that guy, let me tell you about kevin mason

i'm fine with running the urban meyer offense and you can call it the deleone offense and we'll all be happy

 

[OrangeFoo]

I fully believe that if HCDM had stuck around we would be a ranked team this year without all the injuries. Shafer is a great defensive coordinator and Hackett was growing into the offensive coordinator role. Sad that he had to leave when he did... I am now thinking if we had to choose between Shafer and Hackett we should have chosen Hackett. Of course in reality the choice should have been much broader than Shafer and Hackett but that's a different debate.