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Message: [QUOTE="sabach, post: 1824229, member: 866"] Because their elders always played for a "mythical national title" and ND always had an inside track because it was ND. If ND is kept out of the playoffs (i.e. the playoff only allowing conference champions to participate), nearly all of the younger generation of ND fans will want to be in a conference. The older ND fans, in that scenario, may still want independence even if it meant no chance at the playoffs. I say this as a lifetime ND fan. I do agree that as long as there is a chance to make the playoffs, most ND fans (old and young) will prefer independence. [/QUOTE]