ACC has 3 bowl wins...Cuse and Pitt are 2 of them

[OrangeDW]

I remember an awful lot of whining and complaining from fans of many ACC schools about how they didn't want Cuse. "Cuse football stinks, they won't help the league, etc." I remember lots of talk about how Cuse wouldn't win too many games in this league(some of it even from miserable Cuse fans who think everyone and everything else is better than what they have). They're supposedly too fast or athletic or something. What a joke.

Even better is that much of this type of talk was from fans of schools that have never even been good in football, one of whom(NIT State) we destroyed on their home field this year!

They should be changing their tune right about now. Without those 2 wins, things would be looking pretty embarrassing right now.

It should also be pointed out that Louisville blew out Miami. I see no reason we can't be the 3rd best team in the league next year.

 

[baggerbob]

The 3 teams they took in the last expansion, Miami-blow out loss, Virginia Tech-blow out loss, Boston College-blow out loss, all 4 schools that came in recently, including Notre Dame 4-0. Maybe those 3 football schools need to improve in both Football, and Basketball.

 

[Crusty]

Well, if I were them I would probably have felt the same way. Gotta earn respect on the field.

 

[Millhouse]

Louisville, UCLA, Arizona are all way better than Minnesota and Bowling Green

 

[OrangeDW]

Well, if I were them I would probably have felt the same way. Gotta earn respect on the field.

If you were them, you would only pay attention to what goes on in your little bubble and not really know what you're talking about though. You don't want to be them!

There was not a jump in caliber of play from the Big East to the ACC. Just because a school is located in the south, doesn't necessarily mean it's good in football.

 

[Crusty]

If you were them, you would only pay attention to what goes on in your little bubble and not really know what you're talking about though. You don't want to be them!

There was not a jump in caliber of play from the Big East to the ACC. Just because a school is located in the south, doesn't necessarily mean it's good in football.

We haven't exactly distinguished ourselves in the last decade in football. That is just a reality. Unless you are an Orange football fan and have followed the resurrection your impression would not be as favorable as ours. We have built the program slowly but surely and have a good foundation. Those are things outsiders don't see right away.

We have jumped in conference quality - no doubt in my eyes about that. It certainly feels good to finish third in our division that's for sure.

 

[cuseinchina]

I'd say ACC people will be upset that V-tech and Miami looked so bad, really excited for Louisville to come in, surprised positively at Duke's near miss despite the loss, and won't really give any credence to cuse and Pitt winning their low tier bowl game or BC losing theirs.

The key to the perception battle is not just Florida State winning, but Clemson - if they can beat a team that was nearly in the title game that is a big deal.

When we start winning 9 games and playing in more significant bowls people will take notice. Not trying to minimize our achievements this year - given the circumstances we as fans should be pumped - but no one else is going to really give a 6-6 team's bowl win much notice.

 

[Scooch]

Louisville, UCLA, Arizona are all way better than Minnesota and Bowling Green

True. On the other hand, our mediocre team beat our corresponding mediocre opponent. As did Pitt. The other ACC schools did not beat their corresponding level opponent.

This is because the ACC is not a particularly great football conference. Or basketball for that matter. But it's worth more than the old Big East. Go figure. :noidea:

 

[orange79]

And everyone said this was a basketball expansion...

 

[All4SU]

When we start winning 9 games and playing in more significant bowls people will take notice. Not trying to minimize our achievements this year - given the circumstances we as fans should be pumped - but no one else is going to really give a 6-6 team's bowl win much notice.

Except those people at Nc state, Maryland, and Wake Forest. (And BC for that matter.). Those fans shouldn't need any additional convincing. They got lesson #1. Now we can got to work on convincing some of the other fans.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

Isn't it crazy that NC State never made a BCS bowl? I was just looking at NFL QBs and they have 3! Mike Glennon, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson. That blows my mind.

 

[GoSU96]

I remember an awful lot of whining and complaining from fans of many ACC schools about how they didn't want Cuse. "Cuse football stinks, they won't help the league, etc." I remember lots of talk about how Cuse wouldn't win too many games in this league(some of it even from miserable Cuse fans who think everyone and everything else is better than what they have). They're supposedly too fast or athletic or something. What a joke.

Even better is that much of this type of talk was from fans of schools that have never even been good in football, one of whom(NIT State) we destroyed on their home field this year!

They should be changing their tune right about now. Without those 2 wins, things would be looking pretty embarrassing right now.

It should also be pointed out that Louisville blew out Miami. I see no reason we can't be the 3rd best team in the league next year.

3rd best team? Pump the brakes.

Team is losing a ton of leadership and games played at center, DT, MLB, and CB. All five guys are three/four year STARTERS, not just rotation guys. You are losing your two year starting TB, who is another leader. As much as people bust on Wilkes, he played a lot from day one. You are losing a TE who has played a ton and has been a multiple year starter.

Next year's schedule is going to be harder than this years.

They could be significantly better next year and end up 6-6 again.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

Louisville, UCLA, Arizona are all way better than Minnesota and Bowling Green

true but besides ucla we would either beat or put up a better fight than bc and Miami did.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The ACC will have 5 bowl wins end game. The last 2 will be more impressive than the first 3.

 

[GoSU96]

true but besides ucla we would either beat or put up a better fight than bc and Miami did.

Yikes

 

[orange79]

Yikes

He's just filling in until the rapture occurs (Mantonio's return).

 

[Crusty]

3rd best team? Pump the brakes.

Team is losing a ton of leadership and games played at center, DT, MLB, and CB. All five guys are three/four year STARTERS, not just rotation guys. You are losing your two year starting TB, who is another leader. As much as people bust on Wilkes, he played a lot from day one. You are losing a TE who has played a ton and has been a multiple year starter.

Next year's schedule is going to be harder than this years.

They could be significantly better next year and end up 6-6 again.

All true enough. However:

• We have wisely given GMII and RunDMC good prime playing time
• We have the most exciting WR/Return man in years
• A true DT QB growing by leaps and bounds
• Very exciting freshman returning with valuable game experience
• Key secondary players returning with experience
• Krautman healthy
• Coaching staff that has now seen the conference opponents once
• Some exciting RS
• An incoming class that will have some palyers who will contribute as freshmen.

I have been hearing about the defensive losses every year now for four years and somehow we seem to find replacement and to play good D.I think that will continue.

The conference will be tougher to be sure but I think we are in good shape.

 

[longislandcuse]

3rd best team? Pump the brakes.

Team is losing a ton of leadership and games played at center, DT, MLB, and CB. All five guys are three/four year STARTERS, not just rotation guys. You are losing your two year starting TB, who is another leader. As much as people bust on Wilkes, he played a lot from day one. You are losing a TE who has played a ton and has been a multiple year starter.

Next year's schedule is going to be harder than this years.

They could be significantly better next year and end up 6-6 again.

I'm all for tempering expectations but c'mon, I think you're overrating what we're losing. By that logic we will never be more than a 7-6 team. Everyone loses players, not just us. We lost ALOT more last year than we are this year.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm all for tempering expectations but c'mon, I think you're overrating what we're losing. By that logic we will never be more than a 7-6 team. Everyone loses players, not just us. We lost ALOT more last year than we are this year.

They lost a lot on offense and didn't get to 6-6 until basically the last play of the season and the offense fell off a cliff.

I'm not overrating a thing.

The defense lost Shamarko and two decent DE's, weathered the storm and improved in a lot of ways.

This year it's losing 2, maybe 3, DT's, the MLB, the starting SS and both starting corners, and we don't know if Whigham will play again. I like the guys on the roster coming back a lot, but that is a lot to replace.

Unless the offense improves by 10pts and 75 yds a game passing it's going to be a real struggle. And that assumes there's no fall off in the run game.

 

[GoSU96]

All true enough. However:

• We have wisely given GMII and RunDMC good prime playing time
• We have the most exciting WR/Return man in years
• A true DT QB growing by leaps and bounds
• Very exciting freshman returning with valuable game experience
• Key secondary players returning with experience
• Krautman healthy
• Coaching staff that has now seen the conference opponents once
• Some exciting RS
• An incoming class that will have some palyers who will contribute as freshmen.

I have been hearing about the defensive losses every year now for four years and somehow we seem to find replacement and to play good D.I think that will continue.

The conference will be tougher to be sure but I think we are in good shape.

The defense in 2011 was not good. A lot of that had to do with injuries, but it wasn't good by a long stretch. Last year the pass defense was very spotty.

Over all this year's defense was much better, but then it didn't lose many players, and only one impact one.

 

[longislandcuse]

They lost a lot on offense and didn't get to 6-6 until basically the last play of the season and the offense fell off a cliff.

I'm not overrating a thing.

The defense lost Shamarko and two decent DE's, weathered the storm and improved in a lot of ways.

This year it's losing 2, maybe 3, DT's, the MLB, the starting SS and both starting corners, and we don't know if Whigham will play again. I like the guys on the roster coming back a lot, but that is a lot to replace.

Unless the offense improves by 10pts and 75 yds a game passing it's going to be a real struggle. And that assumes there's no fall off in the run game.

That's going to happen though. Would you rather try to replace a coaching staff, QB, top 2 WRs and first round o-lineman?

 

[CuseOnly]

Biggest concerns in my mind are replacing Jay Bromley and Mackey. Wilkes was recruited over last year at safety and Kelly, Desir and Eskridge return.

Emerich filled in for Mackey pretty well in spot duty this year and we have John Miller who is a center as well.

Losing Zian Jones will hurt depth on the DL as well.

We have guys that can play some good ball and fill in right away I think without missing a beat.

I think someone said that SU will return to the top 25 once we start filling the offensive and defensive trenches with talent. I firmly believe this. I think we are on our way when we can replace Mackey and Bromley and not miss a beat. We shall see how their replacements play in about 8 months.

Interior DL will be
Crume
Raymon (praying for this kid)
Wayne Williams
Marcus Coleman (needs to add about 25 lbs)
Ryan Sloan

We need to get some JC DT's ASAP or some really good freshmen that can contribute.

 

[omniorange]

The defense in 2011 was not good. A lot of that had to do with injuries, but it wasn't good by a long stretch. Last year the pass defense was very spotty.

Over all this year's defense was much better, but then it didn't lose many players, and only one impact one.

By what standard was this year's defense "much better" than last year's. Seems to me the best one could say is they were even.

Not counting the FCS team, this year we played 4 offensively challenged teams that had trouble scoring 3 TDs in most of their games against teams with even average defenses, but when we faced any team capable of putting up huge numbers, they all did 48, 49, 56, and 59. Our defense last year at least managed to hold some of the better offensive teams we played like Louisville and Mizzou to less than 30. Heck, even Minny that hadn't scored an offensive TD in like forever toward the end of the season, managed two of them to almost pull out the bowl game.

Not trying to minimize the huge contributions that the seniors on defense had over their careers with us, but if you think this year's defense was "much better" than last year, then you are indeed overreacting, imho.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Chip]

True. On the other hand, our mediocre team beat our corresponding mediocre opponent. As did Pitt. The other ACC schools did not beat their corresponding level opponent.

This is because the ACC is not a particularly great football conference. Or basketball for that matter. But it's worth more than the old Big East. Go figure. :noidea:

I think the ACC has exactly what they want or expect. 2 BCS teams, one of them playing for the national title. 11 of 14 teams in bowl games (still collect the money in losses).

And insanely top shelf hoops.

And Notre Dame in the fold.

BC gets crushed by Pac 12? VT gets crushed by Pac 12? Duke loses a late heartbreaker in what could have been a great press game for the league? I bet Swofford still slept well on New Year's Eve.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Check out all of those former BE schools playing in the ACC and making bowl games. Not too shabby.