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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 637170, member: 652"] S0rry, I am combining recent results and history. Tier 1 Florida State and Miami(trending down) both have won national titles in the BCS era and have Heisman trophy winners in 1990s. They are the only ACC teams in the top tier, and I wouldn't include Notre Dame until they commit full-time. Notre Dame would become tier 1 when they join the conference. Tier 2- Virginia Tech(trending evenly), Georgia Tech,(trending down) Clemson(trending up), and MAYBE Louisville(trending up if they finish in the top 10 next year definitely tier 2.) These are top 25 teams, that have been in the BCS the last 5 years. Virginia Tech 2012 Sugar Bowl, 2011 Orange Bowl,2009 Orange Bowl, Georgia Tech 2010 Orange Bowl, Clemson 2012 Orange Bowl, 2012 Chick-Fil-A Bowl win against LSU. Are all 2nd tier ACC teams. Clemson is not first tier Dabo has done a job with Tajh Boyd as his QB, but until he sustains it 2 more years as a top 15 team I wouldn't move them up to the 1st tier especially with that 70-33 loss to WVU. Virginia Tech honestly is 1 big BCS win from going from the 2nd tier to the 1st tier. Georgia Tech struggled the last 2 years, but that BCS from 2010 is still recent enough to keep them in the 2nd tier. Louisville (2013 Sugar Bowl, 2006 Orange Bowl) they have 2 BCS appearances in 7 years, and they pounded #3 Florida from the big bad SEC, and I think they will be a top 5 team this year that will get Boise State'd out of the NC game because their schedule is such a joke, but Louisville another top 10 year and they will be a 2nd tier program, and if Bridgewater stays for his Senior in their 1st ACC year the conference will be stacked for 2014. Tier 3 North Carolina( trending up 5bowl appearance since 2004) , NC State( trending even 5 bowl appearances since 2004), Pittsburgh( trending up 6 bowl appearances since 2004), Syracuse ( trending up 3 bowl appearances since 2004), Boston College( trending down 7 bowl appearances since 2004), Virginia( trending up 4 bowl appearances since 2004), Wake Forest( trending even 4 bowl appearances since 2004 including 1 BCS appearance). All of these teams have had good and bad years, but all have multiple bowl appearances and this where the ACC needs to improve to get more respect nationally. Tier 4 Duke( trending up 2 bowl appearance since 1990) Listen David Cutcliffe is doing AN EXCELLENT job rebuilding Duke's football program. He has Peyton and Eli Manning training each offseason at Duke, and has turned your offense into an above average college offense, but until Duke reaches bowl games twice in 4 years I wouldn't move them out of tier 4.Vanderbilt and Stanford have showed Duke can and will become successful if Cutcliffe stays as he has so far. The fact the Manning brothers train there will get Cutcliffe into any QB's home and give him recruiting cache. However, I live in NC and in the September 2010 I was able to go to a double header when I went a noon Georgia Tech-North Carolina noon game at Kenan Stadium, and then had tickets to the 3:30 Alabama-Duke game at Wade-Wallace and by the time I got into Wallace-Wade and found my seat it was 21-0 in the mid-first quarter and that stadium was easily 60% Crimson Tide fans, and I was shocked(Note to Syracuse fans we where playing @Washington and the game wasn't on TV so I enjoyed a NC doubleheader). I am not trying to be disrespectful, and am analyzing objectively but Duke needs a couple more 2012 seasons and they will help the ACC football. I think Duke can be like Vanderbilt and reach bowls more consistently. [/QUOTE]

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