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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4724236, member: 5685"] I would think that Cal and Stanford would have preferred being in a Western ACC pod vs where they are now. It also seemed that Arizona State and Utah wanted nothing to do with the B12 until the very end. So I don't think the ACC was outbid but rather couldn't get a 75% vote to add those 4. I am sure some schools had no interest going West. Others only want to expand for a decent TV $ bump. While some have one foot out the ACC door. You only need 4 schools to say No to block it. [/QUOTE]