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Message: [QUOTE="WoadBlue, post: 4735270, member: 1145"] I think what we have behind the scenes is Clemson saying that if it expansion goes down with teams that FSU and it do not approve of, then it might have to go public like FSU. As that would help make the ACC more unstable, UNC will not allow any Yes vote to pass. Right now, it is NCSU voting as UNC wants. I understand what anybody with a large football fan base is going to be opposed even to Stanford, because the problem with the ACC now is not enough schools with those large football fan bases. But there also are other ways to improve the league's TV numbers. I think Stanford could help. I have more than doubts that Cal could help, ever. And I bet that Stanford demands Cal be its partner in joining. So there we are. Stuck. [/QUOTE]