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Message: [QUOTE="FRANKIEFAN, post: 4743008, member: 6729"] They upgraded their conferences. We downgraded/diluted ours if Stanford or Cal were desirable they would be in the Big Ten or Big 12. We outdid the Big Ten for ridiculous geographic footprint. They actually got some good West coast markets WA, Oregon, and LA. We got the market that 2 pro franchises have left in the last few years. The academic end of the conference took sympathy on 2 West coast Ivys for no good reason. Stanford and Cal wouldn't piss on any ACC member apart from maybe Duke if they were on fire. [/QUOTE]