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Message: [QUOTE="HtownOrange, post: 5689317, member: 622"] You falsely portray my argument as TTech has no value, my argument is that ESPN and the ACC do not consider TTech as valuable enough for consideration. To get to that point or the point of invitation, there are deep analyses performed, TTech fell short, they are not in the discussion. Please show where ESPN and/the ACC has promoted TTech for addition to the ACC. Does TTech have some value, the Big 12 believes they do. ESPN and the ACC say not enough. I never mentioned the Big East, you are bringing it into this argument. That is in the past. ESPN rejected the Big East and advised SU be one of new additions especially if the ACC wanted a network. History proves this point, several Big East schools were not invited, including Rutgers and UConn, both closer to NYC than SU. We are not discussing SEC v. ACC as ESPN properties. If we were, it would have no bearing on the point that the ACC has not invited TTech. If ESPN thought TTech were beneficial to either conference, ESPN would recommend their addition accordingly. The fact is, ESPN has not recommended TTech to either conference rendering your point moot. You are free to create a new thread to discuss ESPN's favoritism of SEC over ACC, which may get large support on this site. No one is disputing the general consensus that land grant schools are generally best choices. Big state universities may have value, see TAMU. However, the seventh at best - school is not where the ACC should start. Who said the ACC has a guarantee beyond 2036? Again, a red herring argument intended to distract from the fundamental principal that is a school does not add sufficient value, they will not get an invite. Is Wyoming getting an invite as it is the largest Wyoming state university? No, the do not bring sufficient value. If Wyoming suddenly did could they get an invite? Sure. TTech is neither a land grant nor flagship school. No one disputes schools with better HS football should factor into the equation. TV markets with large fan bases is a reasonable argument, Lubbock is the 145th DMA, far behind many others, say, Houston (6th)? Should growth potential count? Should Houston be disposed of because Lubbock has 3% of the population and a higher percentage of fans? I would argue Houston has much greater potential, significant that they should be considered before TTech, but Houston does not meet the requirements established by the ACC and ESPN. Neither gets the invite. TTech has no natural rivalries. Nobody truly cares about them. I am not opposed to expansion. I am against willy nilly expansion. If a team does not add sufficient value to the ACC and ESPN , there must be another compelling reason to invite them. TTech falls short of an invite. As does Houston, Baylor, TCU, and many more. Whether any of us like it, the ACC is the third best conference, essentially the top 55 schools. Sure, we can debate individual schools' value, start a new thread if you wants schools kicked out. It is not easy to move into the top 50. [/QUOTE]

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