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Message: [QUOTE="TerryD, post: 2734116, member: 3399"] If you were honest, you would admit that ND had very definitively told the Big East every time it could (and more recently the ACC) that football was not to be included. Never once did ND give any indication that football was ever going to be added. In fact, quite the opposite. Here is a 1994 article from when ND first joined the Big East: [IMG]http://articles.latimes.com/images/pixel.gif[/IMG] "Despite MacLeod's enthusiasm, Notre Dame Athletic Director Dick Rosenthal said the alliance was not made because the basketball team couldn't compete as an independent. "I have always maintained that we could continue as an independent. I still do," said Rosenthal, who was vacationing in Colorado. "I think the emergence of our Olympic sports as national competitors . . . . and the fact that those programs would be enhanced was a clear-cut factor. [B]There never was talk about including Notre Dame football."[/B] [URL='http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-12/sports/sp-14613_1_notre-dame-football']Notre Dame Gives Up Its Independence : College: Every sport except football will compete in the Big East starting in 1995.[/URL] Both the Big East and the ACC commissioners were on record a number of times admitting that this was the case.. Here are Mike Tranghese's own words in 2003: Q. Regarding football, I was curious to know Notre Dame's role in this and whether or not you guys would make an effort on getting Notre Dame to be playing football in the BIG EAST Conference? MICHAEL TRANGHESE: Let me talk about Notre Dame. Father Malloy is here, Kevin White is here. [B]When we went to Notre Dame in the mid '90s and extended an invitation to them to come into this league, there was no discussion about football. In fact, at the time, I told Father when we met for the first time that "this is what our interest was" and "this is what his interest was." I mean, Notre Dame has put a high degree or high value on being a football independent; we accept that.[/B] We talked about things. I think that Notre Dame has helped us to cooperate in a variety of ways that are not public. Our membership is thrilled with the fact that Notre Dame is in this league. It's interesting. When we had our Presidents meeting many years ago to discuss Notre Dame, I told our Presidents that these are the things that Notre Dame will contribute to the league. And they have not only done all of that, they've gone far beyond it. You just look at they've won a National Championship of women's basketball, men's basketball, soccer, all other things. [B]More importantly, they're a good partner. They're open with us. They're honest with us.[/B] I think not you, but the public, doesn't understand what we're doing at times. They're more annoyed or upset with it. We have a great relationship with Notre Dame, and it's going to continue the way it is." [URL='http://www.asapsports.com/show_conference.php?id=29719']ASAP Sports Transcripts - Basketball - 2003 - PRESS CONFERENCES - BIG EAST MEDIA CONFERENCE - November 4[/URL] Your apology is accepted. I was not being "disingenuous" at all. Quite the contrary. [/QUOTE]

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