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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 4904042, member: 4809"] I agree with some of point of view. My daughter went to upenn and the ivy network was unbelievable. We paid all of it including reembursing her for the loans. She grad. In 2001 My having gone to occ. Down at the old typewriter factory, i met great folks, good faculty some. Moonlighting from su. I fondly recall those yesrs. I believe thst was a great experience. Eventually got a masters degree from rutgers. I believe the county college experience had the most faculty that were interested,and availble. May not be for everyone, worked well for me. development as a whole does not depend on expensive education. It does depend on exposure to a multide of experiences to numerous to mention and remain continous. hope we dont stop growing . [/QUOTE]