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Message: [QUOTE="dollarbill44, post: 1877596, member: 686"] You never said anything about 8-10 wins. You said it would be a 3-5 year "rebuilding" effort. 8+wins is a post-rebuild win total for all but a few programs. I fully expect us to be able to pick off an upset in year 3. You're also putting words in my mouth by bringing up what teams other posters are claiming we will beat. I don't take any game for granted and I don't write off any game as a loss before it starts. I'm nearly 48 years old and I've always felt that way. I've seen enough strange outcomes in sports to be dissuaded from this stance. [/QUOTE]